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Entry door latch failure
« on: September 22, 2021, 10:07:27 am »
It could have been worse!   We got home this week from a multi-week trip, unloaded the PC in our driveway and then the entry door latch broke.   Good timing and location if this has to happen.

Evidently, the latch/lock is a Trimark 060-1650 and is no longer made.   

In searching this forum, I found some posts a few years ago about others experiencing the same failure.   Those posts, however, did not answer my specific questions:

     1. Is this the replacement others have used?   

https://www.amazon.com/RV-Designer-Collection-T507-Entrance/dp/B00EOTE8BA/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=2KBHSJ01075DB&dchild=1&keywords=trimark+rv+door+lock&qid=1632318995&sprefix=trimark+%2Caps%2C199&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzRU4xOUtPU0RTQ1lTJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzM5MDAyUjNUWEMwTVRKOFFBJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTAwMzgyMzkyRkNLWFhVV0kyTUFIJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

     2.  Is the above an exact drop in for the old or will I have to modify the door any?   

Apparently, RV Designer is now co-branded with Trimark.  I am NOT interested in installing an electrically activated or keyless model to replace the original.  I simply want to install a new unit like the original.   

Thanks.  I appreciate any information about my two questions you could provide.

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Re: Entry door latch failure
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2021, 02:37:14 pm »
Yes, the RVDesigner T507 and the TriMark you showed on Amazon are exact match dropins. 

The RVDesigner is more expensive but has a lifetime warranty.  The TriMark has a 1 year warranty.

My RVDesigner T507 broke on my current trip and I was near their office in Wheeling Illinois.  They replaced the lock no problems.  It's only 5 screws to remove, 2 on the door edge, 3 on the inside cover.  You may have to tap out the outside half on the latch because the seal "sticks" after it been in place for a while.  I just tap it (from the inside) with a rubber mallet.  Make sure you remove the 2 screws on the door edge first!

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Re: Entry door latch failure
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2021, 07:48:31 pm »
Don, thanks.  I just ordered the referenced item and look forward to an easy replacement.   I promise I will use my rubber mallet as you suggested, although quicker results with a good five pounder.  :help roflol

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Re: Entry door latch failure
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2021, 10:24:22 am »
Have you seen the Tri-Mark repair kit from latchfix.com. It is 47.50 and repairs the lock for good. No more broken latch issues. A year ago I bought a new door lock assembly from PC because the original broke. That lock is acting just like the original did before it broke, its like you have to pull on the handle till it reaches the end of its travel before the bolt of the door lock assembly moves far enough to disengage from the striker plate on the door frame.  This is because one of the integral rods of the bolt assembly is broke allowing the other rod to flex, and the bolt is made out of pot metal. So it will be broken completely again before long.

I saved the original door lock assembly and just purchased the repair kit to fix that one and install it (I guess that makes me a hoarder). The guy that made the repair kit did a great job, its out of stainless steel and easy to install. The bolt should never break again, everything else will wear out around it before the bolt breaks. If you are wondering I am not sponsored to support this repair kit, its just an honest review. So if you just want to repair the Tri-Mark 060-1650 get the kit you can't go wrong...

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Re: Entry door latch failure
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2021, 12:42:49 pm »
Engineerit…. What a find! Thank you for posting this.  I’m not waiting for mine to fail again.

Thank you!

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Re: Entry door latch failure
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2021, 01:13:37 pm »
Have you seen the Tri-Mark repair kit from latchfix.com. It is 47.50 and repairs the lock for good. No more broken latch issues. A year ago I bought a new door lock assembly from PC because the original broke. That lock is acting just like the original did before it broke, its like you have to pull on the handle till it reaches the end of its travel before the bolt of the door lock assembly moves far enough to disengage from the striker plate on the door frame.  This is because one of the integral rods of the bolt assembly is broke allowing the other rod to flex, and the bolt is made out of pot metal. So it will be broken completely again before long.

I saved the original door lock assembly and just purchased the repair kit to fix that one and install it (I guess that makes me a hoarder). The guy that made the repair kit did a great job, its out of stainless steel and easy to install. The bolt should never break again, everything else will wear out around it before the bolt breaks. If you are wondering I am not sponsored to support this repair kit, its just an honest review. So if you just want to repair the Tri-Mark 060-1650 get the kit you can't go wrong...

Yes, the original TriMark had a pot metal latch bolt AND an ABS slide catch on the bolt.  My first replacement was the same. That replacement broke a year or so later, same way. Trimark finally switched to a steel bolt but still had the ABS catch.  And still just a 1 year warranty.

When the 2nd one broke too, I wanted to make sure I got one with the steel bolt, RVDesigner said theirs had the steel bolt and a lifetime warranty.  The others didn't break the ABS latch stop.  I had never heard of latch fix.  I was always on the road too when the latch bolt broke.

Anyway, long story short.  A month ago, same thing except this time, the ABS stop broke, we were on the road and about 100 miles from RVDesigner office in Wheeling Illinois so got a new replacement under warranty.  At least when the ABS piece breaks, you can still use the door, but have to use the open mechanism to draw the bolt back so the angled portion of the bolt hits the strike plate, release the mechanism and it closes just fine.

The new RVDesigner (still TriMark) is fine, but I looked at that latch fix kit and watched the video.  I am going to get one and keep it in the RV along with the right sized Torx socket.  Everything else I would need I already have with me, so an on-the-road fix will be possible.  Looks like a great product!

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Re: Entry door latch failure
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2021, 04:02:15 pm »
All right---although I am yet to experience the first failure of the latch on my 2019 model, you guys have convinced me.

I checked my bolt and it's definitely not magnetic, so sounds like it's just a matter of time before I join the club.

Thank you, Lance, for the cost-effective solution!  I've ordered the latch fix kit and will likely just preemptively install it when it gets here.  If I can get that done before mine breaks---who knows, I might be one of the few Phoenix owners to never have one fail!

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Re: Entry door latch failure
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2021, 06:17:32 pm »
Engineerit…. What a find! Thank you for posting this.  I’m not waiting for mine to fail again.

Thank you!
Ditto!!! I'm going to get one, put it in the tool box, then mine will never fail for sure!
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Re: Entry door latch failure
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2021, 07:02:09 pm »
ENGINEERLT, thanks for the post about the repair kit.   That is great information to have.   

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Re: Entry door latch failure
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2021, 02:46:25 pm »
I had posted this before if you call trimark they will replace your lock free of charge with overnight delivery no charge to you call customer service tell them what happened you'll  read my post sometime back 😉

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Re: Entry door latch failure
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2021, 02:12:49 pm »
I had posted this before if you call trimark they will replace your lock free of charge with overnight delivery no charge to you call customer service tell them what happened you'll  read my post sometime back 😉


https://forum.phoenixusarv.com/index.php?topic=4506.msg40090#msg40090  is the thread you refer to.

But (if I read it correctly) the 1st replacement with a steel deadbolt had a failure of another plastic piece in less than a year. Even after ""minimal use no slamming shut, opening and closing normally"".

 Sure, they sent you another replacement FREE, and I hope you enjoy many worry free months before that breaks also. 2o2   I dont care HOW good the warranty is if the product is cr*p.

But for people that want to not worry about their door latch breaking on a yearly basis might find a $49 repair kit VERY reasonable to pay for peace of mind.   https://www.latchfix.com/buy 

We spent more than I wanted to in 2018 ($195) for our lock, I wouldn't want to be without that keypad now. Such a nice feature. They are ~$270 now, just like everything they cost more now.  >(


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Re: Entry door latch failure
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2021, 07:40:03 pm »
I had posted this before if you call trimark they will replace your lock free of charge with overnight delivery no charge to you call customer service tell them what happened you'll  read my post sometime back 😉


https://forum.phoenixusarv.com/index.php?topic=4506.msg40090#msg40090  is the thread you refer to.

But (if I read it correctly) the 1st replacement with a steel deadbolt had a failure of another plastic piece in less than a year. Even after ""minimal use no slamming shut, opening and closing normally"".

 Sure, they sent you another replacement FREE, and I hope you enjoy many worry free months before that breaks also. 2o2   I dont care HOW good the warranty is if the product is cr*p.

But for people that want to not worry about their door latch breaking on a yearly basis might find a $49 repair kit VERY reasonable to pay for peace of mind.   https://www.latchfix.com/buy 

We spent more than I wanted to in 2018 ($195) for our lock, I wouldn't want to be without that keypad now. Such a nice feature. They are ~$270 now, just like everything they cost more now.  >(




All true.  I am going to get the kit and keep it, and an appropriate torx wrench and keep in in the RV.

The replacement that RVDesigner gave me, still has the plastic bolt stop.  When it breaks, the bolt comes out another 3/16ths of an inch (or so) so the the angled portion of the bolt no longer hits the strike plate.  However, pull a bit on the opening handle (inside or outside) and the bolt will then be back far enough that you can push the outside or pull from the inside and the angled portion of the bolt will hit the strike plate.  The latch will hold but for safety, you must also throw the deadbolt to insure it stays closed while driving.

Obviously a PITA, but "safe", with the pot metal latch bolts, when they broke you were out of luck, you had to remove the broken latch bolt and then you only had the deadbolt to keep the door partially secure.

So all steel will work fine for me.

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Re: Entry door latch failure
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2021, 06:15:01 am »
That deadbolt has to be locked for travel no matter what so it isn't an additional step due to door latch issues. Checking that lock should be part of your departure inspection. Kermit said or was a Transportation Safety Board law.
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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2021, 10:22:01 am »
2frazzzled.. the dead bolt has to be locked for travel? I’d never heard that before. I guess it might help a tiny bit safety wise in a crash, maybe. It being a law is the final straw.  Defund the police now! 

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Re: Entry door latch failure
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2021, 07:47:48 pm »
Got the new door latch/lock a couple of days ago from Amazon and installed it today.   Pretty easy install and an improved mechanism.   It required a little cussin' and fussin' to get it in the tight fit but it was accomplished easier than I suspected. 

 I also ordered another package of cabinet door latches at the same time.   On a recent  two plus week trip, we were really fortunate:  only two latches failed  heartshower.    I used up the last two of my onboard supply and am absolutely, positively, completely sure I will need a couple more for our next adventure.   They are sort of like gasoline.   A necessity.