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Re: Introduce Yourself!
« Reply #720 on: March 08, 2015, 09:07:03 am »
Hi Greg/Lakedog,

I think the 2100 is a very efficient rig.  I personally would do it up differently to utilize the interior better.   I also feel the smaller V8 E350 engine offers enough power for it's size and weight.  I think the 2100 is ideal for a single person, but will work with two as long as you are real careful in what you bring.  I see pictures of 2100s with hitch mounted storage compartments which I feel defeats the purpose.  At that point, I would buy a 2350 and have plenty of indoor & outdoor storage and also a full time double bed and bigger capacities.  A 2350 is more suited for full timing for a multitude of reasons.  But if you travel lightly, the 2100 will be quite the rig for best mobility.
Hi Ron,
Thanks for your thoughts.  I do travel lightly as I sold or donated pretty much everything I owned when I sold my house, only keeping what I could fit in my small SUV.  The 2100 has a bit more room/storage than the Tiger I used to own.  The Tiger was on the F-350 extended cab and 22' total length but being on a truck chassis had much less space in the coach.  I am torn between the 2100 and 2350 since I may decide to full time for quite a while and the 2350 would provide more space.  My old lab needs a bit of space for his bed, food/water bowls, etc.  If I wanted to wait long enough to have one built, I suppose I could delete some of the furniture or eliminate one side of the dinette to gain more floor space?  I also go back and forth on the slide/no slide issue as I prefer fewer moving parts and the simplicity of not having a slide, but the slide does allow a bit more space in such a small rig. 

I should have started my search sooner as I am almost too impatient to wait on a new build, figuring I could always have one built later if necessary to get the perfect PC if I go very long term.   

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Re: Introduce Yourself!
« Reply #721 on: March 08, 2015, 09:33:19 am »
Welcome Greg.  I agree with Ron, that the 2100 is the smallest but there are advantages to the 2350 at 23' 11", which is still very compact and with a 158" wheelbase, very agile.  The layout that suits your needs best is the first to consider, imo.  I think the 2350 layout is easier for two people, but it depends on how you like to use the living space. If it's the 2100 layout that attracts you over the 2350, then look at the 2400 which is only 3" longer, built on the 164" wheelbase.  I also couldn't find a used unit that would suit my needs so bought new.  This gave me the opportunity to customize a bit.  I wanted the layout type of the 2100/2400 and the shortest unit possible, but I didn't want the 158" chassis cut to 138", and I didn't want to go to the 164" chassis, but would have if that was the only option. Phoenix built my 2100 on the 158" chassis uncut, so my finished unit is 22' 10".  I also built on the E450, but I believe the E350 would have served fine.  I appreciate the extra weight capacity of the E450, and to me it was worth it.
Thanks for the welcome and your thoughts on the various PC models.  It sounds like the factory is more open to allowing customization than I would have guessed.  I have been in contact with Earl at PC about build times, slide vs no slide, and a few other things, and he has been quite helpful, but I did not really think about some of the options you mentioned above. 

There aren't too many late model PCs out there for sale but there are a few.  I just need to do some driving to check them out.  There are a couple in FL right now on dealer lots that look interesting (2013 2100 with slide, 2011 2350 with no slide).  I like the short wheelbase of the 2100 but the 158" on the 2350 is the same as the small Tiger RV I had previously, and it was fine for my typical use.

The factory does have all three models (2100, 2350, 2400) you mentioned in inventory right now so that might be my best bet - visit the factory and compare (and possibly buy one of those). 

I notice you have no slide - has that worked out as well as expected?  If you were full timing, would you still go with no slide?  Lots to consider!

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Re: Introduce Yourself!
« Reply #722 on: March 08, 2015, 09:54:18 am »
I had My 2100 on the 158" wheelbase built with no slide because I need some specialized interior configuration. I had two slides on my 34' diesel pusher and do not miss having slides.  Without the slide I gained interior horizontal space and storage and saved weight.  I don't full time, but if I did I think the extra storage would be valuable to me.  Also no mechanical/leak issues.  However my perspective is from one person traveling alone (with two large dogs).
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Re: Introduce Yourself!
« Reply #723 on: March 08, 2015, 10:05:43 am »
I do like the idea of not having a slide for the reasons you mention, particularly with a 2350 since it has a permanent bed.  Like you, I will be traveling alone (but with only one large dog).  Thanks for the info.

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« Reply #724 on: March 08, 2015, 10:23:10 am »
At 6'2" and a dog (with stuff) the size of a lab, it would be a push on living space in the 2100.  Slide bed would be short. For us (husband 5'6" and wife 5") it works great. Maybe the no slide with jackknife sofa would work, but a lot less living space inside. Also, you need to see how the bathroom would work. We have no storage issues because we do travel lite and make good use of all space.

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Re: Introduce Yourself!
« Reply #725 on: March 08, 2015, 12:14:01 pm »
You are 6'-2" tall?  With hiking shoes on, you will likely hit your head on the a/c and lighting.  Don't buy sight unseen for that reason.  You need to size yourself up.  Every PC has the same ceiling concerns.
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« Reply #726 on: March 08, 2015, 12:22:34 pm »
Hi Lakedog, welcome to our merry little band.

If it was me in your circumstances I would condsider the 2400 that is already built because the wheel base is 6 inches longer, better ride and handling, while the coach is only 2 inches longer than the 2350. I would have the factory remove the front euro chair and put the dogs bed there. I would leave the table and rear chair for working and eating at. I would ask them to make a drop down floor to cover the step. Hinged to the wall with a rope to pull it back up. Some type of latch to hold it up.

I know making up a bed every night can a sob, but the bed in the 2350 we had was a real SOB to make.

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Re: Introduce Yourself!
« Reply #727 on: March 08, 2015, 03:46:41 pm »
You are 6'-2" tall?  With hiking shoes on, you will likely hit your head on the a/c and lighting.  Don't buy sight unseen for that reason.  You need to size yourself up.  Every PC has the same ceiling concerns.
Hey Ron,
The ceiling height is similar to my previous RV, and the shower is right at 6'2" so would work okay.  I got used to ducking/avoiding the AC and won't be spending a lot of time inside except for sleeping or foul weather so I think the PC will work.  I won't commit to anything until I check out in person.  I don't find many things where being tall is a disadvantage but RV ceiling height can certainly be an issue.  I am tall but slim as I am a runner/hiker so don't require a lot of space - my lab is 12 and does enjoy a bit of space but he is fine with an area for his bed, food and water.  Of course, he likes the couch or a real bed during the day but sleeps on his bed at night.

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Re: Introduce Yourself!
« Reply #728 on: March 08, 2015, 03:52:34 pm »
Hi Lakedog, welcome to our merry little band.

If it was me in your circumstances I would condsider the 2400 that is already built because the wheel base is 6 inches longer, better ride and handling, while the coach is only 2 inches longer than the 2350. I would have the factory remove the front euro chair and put the dogs bed there. I would leave the table and rear chair for working and eating at. I would ask them to make a drop down floor to cover the step. Hinged to the wall with a rope to pull it back up. Some type of latch to hold it up.

I know making up a bed every night can a sob, but the bed in the 2350 we had was a real SOB to make.
Hi Tom, thanks for the welcome.

I do like the layout of the 2400, and I think it has a larger sofa bed (queen size?).  I particularly like the euro chairs with small table setup as I would never use a dinette.  Your suggestions sound like a workable solution.  Hopefully the smaller units in inventory will still be available when I can get up to the factory. 

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Re: Introduce Yourself!
« Reply #729 on: March 08, 2015, 04:18:14 pm »
Hi Greg, and welcome.  What fun it is to brew all those possibilities over in your head, huh?  I'll chime in my perspective, as a fellow solo-with-dog traveler, and touch on a couple of points you brought up.

I have a no-slide (did not want that complication and preferred the extra cabinet space) 2351, which is one foot longer than the 2350 but the same layout (an extra closet on each side for the extra foot).  The floor plan works great for me and my girl (she is 33 pounds, not huge but not a lil 'un either).  In place of the free standing chair behind the passenger seat, they put in the floor to ceiling cabinet that you see in some of the other models (the 3100 I think).  Tons of storage space in there, and a nice size dog bed fits beautifully at its bottom, leaving enough room to step into the cab area without treading on the dog. 

The dinette is great because I spend a fair amount of time on the computer, but it does get hard after a few hours.  So I use the passenger seat (it swivels) for a more comfortable spot to sit and read or sew or just gaze out the window.  With the bed in the back, and the rig not being all that long, I can read and enjoy TV easily from back there.

The bed is a pain to make if you like a nicely made bed.  So I decided not to stress about that and I just do my best and then move along with my day.

I have photos of my rig from when it was brand new in the photos section of the forum.  They would have been posted sometime during July of 2014.

I purchased it sight unseen, and without having ever seen another PC in person.  I did attend RV shows and got used to what size and floor plan would work for me, but it was unrealistic to make a trip to Elkhart for my so I took the plunge without doing so.  I haven't regretted a moment since.

Good luck in your search and don't forget, have fun!!

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« Reply #730 on: March 08, 2015, 05:25:25 pm »
Just throwing this option out there for you.

Model 2351 can be ordered with the rear corner bed one foot longer by deleting the pantry in between stove & bed.  You will gain that much more outdoor storage along with the foot longer bed.  Also, I believe you can special order the double bed a bit narrower.  You delete the bed-side window and have a wall of cabinets at the same depth as the current overhead cabinet on that wall.  That is something to consider if always sleeping alone and you seek piles of extra indoor storage.  For resale purposes, have the  extra cabinetry removable.  A window can always be added by the next buyer.

Just keep in-mind that the length of a 2351 shown here starts to get a bit long at 24'-11".


Here is the 2350 for comparison which is 23'-8" long.
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« Reply #731 on: March 08, 2015, 05:29:03 pm »
Hi Carol, thanks for the welcome and info on your 2351.  I did take a look at the photos - really nice rig!

Interesting that you ordered a PC without having actually looked at one in person, and it seems that your experience has been very positive.  I guess I am trying to weigh size/comfort against mobility since I enjoy undeveloped areas that are not accessible with larger RVs and would rarely use a campground of any kind.  Your 2351 isn't too much longer than the 2350/2400 but does have a bit longer wheelbase.  

I don't plan to use a toad either so as small as possible while still providing an adequate comfort level is my goal.  I realize that each person has a different idea of what that might mean in terms of the perfect RV.  You guys are giving me a lot to think about!

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« Reply #732 on: March 08, 2015, 05:39:47 pm »
Hi Ron,
Thanks for the suggestion on the 2351 mods.  As you mentioned, the 2351 is a bit longer in length and wheelbase (compared to the 2350 and 2400) so that may be longer than I would want.  I think the beds in the 2350 and 2400 would be long enough if I am thinking of the right setups - if the bed in the 2350 is 76" and the 2400 is a queen size.  Seems there are all kinds of options if I want to have one built.  With warm weather on the horizon, I'm not sure I can wait that long!  Earl indicated 8 to 10 weeks when we last emailed a few days ago.

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« Reply #733 on: March 15, 2015, 06:20:52 am »
Hello Greg,
I scrolled back through your posts and don't think this subject was covered so I wanted to toss one more thing out for consideration - 4 wheel drive. Phoenix offers that option and it might be worthwhile for someone that truly wanders the back roads of our national parks and forests. We have the standard E-450 chassis and have been fine but we tow a Subaru so all our creek crossings and trips down rutted dirt roads have been in that instead of the Phoenix. I know that option would probably require a wait as there aren't that many used ones out there but it's such a thrill to have your perfect house presented to you at the end. Good luck on your search and decision making.
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« Reply #734 on: March 15, 2015, 10:36:45 am »
We own a 4x4 model 2400 PC. Four wheel drive on a motor home has its advantages and disadvantages. Keep in mind it weighs in over 12,000 lbs and has a fairly high center of gravity. It is not a Jeep Wrangler. We love our PC and it is really good on snow covered roads and ok on mud as long as there is a solid base, but I would not classify it as a off road vehicle.