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Ron Dittmer

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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2020, 09:44:24 am »
Our PC is a 2007 2350.  We ordered it without a slide-out because of the potential for trouble with age, especially trouble with water.  Now that PCs are aging, people are posting issues with their slide-outs which unfortunately is not surprising.

What troubles me more are the posts of water mysteriously leaking in the frontal transition area.  That should be one of the more reliable connections.  Motor homes in general take a beating when being driven, with so much vibration and jolting.  Still a PC is supposed to hold up to that.

Finally getting to a project I planned a year ago, last August I attempted to reduce that beating in the forward part of our rig by changing the front springs to softer ones that better match our actual load.  CLICK HERE to read about the project which includes many pictures.  My confidence in doing this seeming radical modification was fueled when I learned our front coil springs were the exact same ones installed on an E450.  I weighed our front axle twice, once with the rig empty, and a second time loaded up during a trip with us sitting in the front seats.  I used those weights to determine how soft of a front spring our rig needs with some margin to spare.  Since the change in front coil springs, our comfort up front is noticeably softer which our PC also appreciates.

To be clear, this modification does not apply to every PC model.  But maybe some models with their front axle payloads should be evaluated.  One easy thing everyone can do is to weigh your rig during a trip with you inside it, then adjust your tire pressure based on that weight.  More air than required translates to a harder ride than necessary.

Back to the subject, I hope you figure out soon, how water is getting inside.  Every PC owner should monitor this thread.
« Last Edit: September 20, 2020, 10:04:49 am by Ron Dittmer »
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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #46 on: September 20, 2020, 10:17:45 am »
Rvrunner.   I canít say Iíd ever expect one of these units to make 200,000 miles. I know I wouldnít keep a unit if it was a constant problem as you consider yours. Sometimes the aggravation isnít worth it and itís time to unload it and move on.  Some money lost of course but a lot of stress is gone as well.
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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #47 on: September 20, 2020, 04:41:03 pm »
I have not been popular on this forum but I'm going to chime in. My 2018 PC has been leaking around the slide for 2 yrs. I've taken it to the factory and 2 rv shops and it still leaks. I'm going back to the factory next month for numerous repairs. I had no idea that PC quality was this bad. I have 80,000 miles on so selling it would mean a big loss. I'm getting ready to head south for 4 months and have no confidence in my PC making the trip trouble free. I really don't know what to do at this point. I was planning to put  over 200,000 miles on my PC, I don't see it making it that far. I was in contact with an owner this spring who was selling his 3 yr old PC because of leaks, like me, he'd had enough. PC's are beautiful looking motorhomes but I'd never buy another one. Sorry to be such a downer but I just don't have any good news about my PC.

I admit, I am surprised that neither PC nor an RV shop can properly fix the leaks.   I am presuming the leakage occurs mostly while the slide is out?   I say that because (another presumption) the seal between the slide and body shouldn't leak when the slide is closed, even if driving in the rain.  For all intent and purposes, there is a closed cell sponge rubber seal all the way around the slide that should conform exactly to the gap between the slide and body.

If it does not, especially after 3 repairs, indicates very poor engineering anf/or construction.  When you get to PC this time, and I am sure you will, I would politely but firmly demand they do whatever is needed to fix, up to and including a rebuild of the slide and body, or you would have no choice but to see them in court.

200,000 miles is a lot of miles, but with proper maintenance, should be very doable in my opinion.

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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #48 on: September 20, 2020, 06:03:49 pm »
The slide leaks when it is in, you are correct about the seal around the slide. I've actually had 6 leaks, 3 in the slide. I pointed out to the last repair shop that it was the main seal across the top of the slide, It stopped leaking in steady rain but still leaks a little in a down pour.
 My last motorhome, a 2011 Winnebago View had 239,000 miles when I sold it. Last I heard it had 260,000 miles and still going strong. It never had a leak.

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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #49 on: September 20, 2020, 07:46:52 pm »
If driving so many miles in a very short period of time along with proper maintenance intervals (and avoiding winter's salted roadways) you might get a lot more than 200,000 miles of reliable RVing.
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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #50 on: September 21, 2020, 06:48:57 am »
RoadToNowhereRV - thanks for responding given your situation.  Best of luck with it all I couldn't imagine going through all that.

Others - thanks for the input.  The leak search continues now that we are home and it has stopped raining.  I have to believe the big leak was from the slide, it was not leaking like this before we went camping and it seemed to slow a bit when we closed the slide and tilted the rig hard to the drivers side.  Other leaks were clearly dripping from above.  The search goes on.

Once we fix the leaks I can start looking at the damage and see if I can fix it or if it has to go back to Indiana.

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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #51 on: September 21, 2020, 12:44:32 pm »
Once we fix the leaks I can start looking at the damage and see if I can fix it or if it has to go back to Indiana.
While looking for your leaks, I would place a constant-drain dehumidifier inside and run it 24/7 to dry up everything as quick as possible, and let it cycle on/off as it deems necessary to maintain dryness.  I would set it just shy of constant-on.  That is cheap insurance to avoid wood rot or mold.  Discolored (gray colored) wood from getting wet is okay as long as it did not loose it's strength (not delaminated, rot/soft, or moldy).
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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #52 on: September 22, 2020, 01:27:19 pm »
Iíve been using your approach because I think itís a lot more compatible with the insurance company. I was thinking an RV fire might be a lot more effective though.

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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #53 on: September 22, 2020, 04:27:29 pm »
Iíve been using your approach because I think itís a lot more compatible with the insurance company. I was thinking an RV fire might be a lot more effective though.
Maybe a faulty dehumidifier will do just that for you.  roflol
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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #54 on: October 12, 2020, 06:17:18 am »
So, it's been raining here, sort of a leak test for me.

The areas I sealed have stopped all leaks from above, yeah.  Water still runs in under the slide when it is OUT (and raining).  I have some thoughts but want to talk to the factory and get their input first.  Unless they changed how they build these, I don't know how they all don't leak.  See photos.

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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #55 on: October 12, 2020, 06:45:13 am »
Hi Will,

I would be the last person to provide input, but I read often about the importance in having the slide out "tipped" away from the motor home.  If your 2910 has a slide out on each side, I imagine over-all rig "levelness" would be exceptionally important with the hope that the preset "tip" is proper.  If not, can you adjust the "tip" any further?
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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #56 on: October 12, 2020, 07:31:30 am »
We have two slides so we can, but then all then blood runs to your head when sleeping (kidding).  A 3-slide unit, good luck.  It was only slightly out of level when it leaked.  I'd like to NOT rely on a 3D Laser Leveling System for it to NOT leak.....

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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #57 on: October 12, 2020, 07:52:38 am »
I'd like to NOT rely on a 3D Laser Leveling System for it to NOT leak.....
  I surely understand.
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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #58 on: October 12, 2020, 09:28:24 am »
I spoke to the factory, they did change the design since ours was built.  We will be adding caulking at the luan piece and more of the gutter.  FYI.

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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #59 on: October 12, 2020, 12:31:46 pm »
I'm rehabbing a 2004 that has the same issue as the OP's coach. Leaks in the vertical seam between the fiberglass transition piece and the coach wall. The best you can do is to be very diligent in maintaining these joints as there's no way to inspect on the inside without removing the wall panels over the transition pieces. Also had leaks from the marker lights and a grommet under the engine cowl (these leaks ended up on the driver side foot area which is one of the reasons why there is now no carpet in the cab), the water heater (also caused hidden floor water damage) and the emergency egress window (caused by a modification).