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"Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« on: April 22, 2019, 08:57:33 am »
WHOA!   I had not seen this level of damage yet on a PC.









If this was built like most of them with 2x2 pine.....it would be a basket case.

Here you go Sarah!   Keep us posted as you go, you now have your own thread.  heartshower


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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2019, 10:20:26 am »
Thanks for posting, I appreciate it.

So yep, that's what we've been dealing with this week.  I will say that it doesn't look as bad as the pictures anymore... 😊. So, we've since since completely resealed with Dicor everything on the roof.  We have replaced all running lights and sealed them as well.  One point of entry was the running light on the passenger side.  Also the door catch which has now been replaced as well.  We've sealed all seams and door latches etc with 5200.  We had a rain last night and there was no new water on the passenger side.

The driver side all stems from the slide, we're thinking that replacing the gaskets will help.  We're also putting spout gutter extenders on four locations to remove water from those areas.  We also sealed a leak on the catch pan under the slide.

We bought this from a couple in their mid-80's with health conditions who I just think had no idea it was going on.  These seem to be the only two areas with water damage, so there's that at least. 😂. We will also be replacing all the gaskets on every window.  I also think in rebuilding the walls we will be going with a foam board insulation instead of fiberglass.  I've read that's better when traveling to different climates.  So if anyone has any suggestions feel free.


Thank you,

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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2019, 06:36:01 pm »
Hi Sarah and Welcome!

I just wanted to mention that if you need parts or advice the factory is usually super helpful about such things even on older coaches.  Many reports on here about them helping locate parts and such. 

I also wanted to mention the Phoenix Cruiser Travel Club.  We are the 'official' owner group.  The website is: http://phoenixcruisertravelclub.org/ if you want more information.  We have a rally each year which has been great fun.

Good luck on your project!

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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2019, 07:05:11 am »
Bleach solution, spray bottles, fans more bleach, fans, and Kilz primer (nod)
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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2019, 07:07:58 am »
I also think in rebuilding the walls we will be going with a foam board insulation instead of fiberglass.  I've read that's better when traveling to different climates.  So if anyone has any suggestions feel free.  Sarah Beth
Hi Sarah Beth,

About your comment on fiberglass insulation....Phoenix uses block foam insulation in the walls, floor, and ceiling including back in 2006, so you're already set with the best.

I do NOT recommend removing sections of interior wall board unless absolutely necessary.  The fabrication method used to make the wall sections is called vacu-bonded.  That means the interior wall board contributes to the structural integrity of the walls.  The method is commonly used in the RV industry for many years now, ideal for the sectional wall method in construction.  They offer strength without excess weight and Phoenix's method includes precisely made aluminum framing around each wall and roof opening, making them better yet.  I don't know how strong they would be if you removed all the interior wall material, then glued on something else.  So I recommend leaving alone as much interior wall board as possible during your renovation.

Sorry to hear of your water troubles.  At least you know the cause for the two leaks and are tackling them properly.  It appears you caught it all in time before serious damage sets in.  Your leaks are in the two most common places for water entry.....marker lights and slide outs.  On our 2007 PC, Phoenix sealed around the marker lights.  I wonder why one of your marker lights leaked.  Did Phoenix seal yours but the seal failed?

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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2019, 07:56:32 am »

About your comment on fiberglass insulation....Phoenix uses block foam insulation in the walls, floor, and ceiling including back in 2006, so you're already set with the best.


See the pics above, Ron. They used fiberglass between the transition pieces and the wallboard.

 My 2006 has fiberglass insulation there also, as seen when I looked down after taking out the shelf. I could only see down 6 inches or so without removing the panel.  I was hoping to run marker light wires down behind the wallboard to the bottom, but it looks like there are two horizontal wood braces that nix that idea. (Thats why I was so interested in pictures of that area)

RE: replacing fiberglass insulation above with foamboard.. I would not. Be a good 'squeak generator'  :lol I would put 1-3 inches of fiberglass back in, whatever seems to fit/replace original.  MOST times, foamboard is better than fiberglass fill. But thats for large, flat areas that can be glued down. The transition area we are referring to has irregular contours that suit fiberglass insulation very well.

I do love the foamboard, did the entire trailer interior with 2" foil faced. Glued down with PL300. GREAT stuff to work with.








 




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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2019, 08:07:08 am »

About your comment on fiberglass insulation....Phoenix uses block foam insulation in the walls, floor, and ceiling including back in 2006, so you're already set with the best.

See the pics above, Ron. They used fiberglass between the transition pieces and the wallboard.
Ah, Of Coarse!  Thanks for the correction Volkemon.

Fiberglass is used in the transition wall and B+ cap.  Everything from that point rearward is block foam.

As Volkemon says......
The only concern I have with replacing the fiberglass insulation with block foam in the transition wall is "the squeakies" of the foam moving around inside.  The vacu-bond process in the other areas has no squeaking.  I just don't know what to expect in the transition wall.  It would make me bonkers to hear the foam insulation singing along as we drive.

A foam that might not squeak as much is the kind used for concrete foundation insulation.
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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2019, 09:07:17 am »
Oh wow, I appreciate all the input so much and sorry for the delay in getting back to you.  We had a two window on getting as much done as we could on the PC, so we've really been going at it.

Ron/Volkemon thank you for the advice regarding the insulation.  After putting bleach, Kilz and Flex Seal over the inside area for safe measure (CalCruiser approved hopefully :)) I have some R-30 Fiber Glass Roll before I frame in new walls.  Got some nice Weaber Weathered Boards to give it a nice rustic finish look too.  I figure I'd give it a bit different flare.

Currently working on the floor, removing wood.  There was some 2x12's over the generator there were rotten as well.  It rattled and made a lot of noise when it came on, now we know why.  Back to Home Depot for more wood!  ☺️

Thank you John for the warm welcomes, it's very appreciated.  I am a member was in this months Newsletter, so very excited to be a member.  I'm not sure we can make it to the reunion this year, we definitely plan on coming in the future.  Hope to run into fellow PC's before that... By the way, I absolutely love your photography.  It's amazing and breathtaking and one of the reasons I wanted to RV Travel.

I also would like to state that the Carbon Monoxide, Smoke, Propane detectors are brand new, one of my first purchases.  I appreciate the concern, I had to make sure we were safe and my fur kids.

Thank you for the support and warm welcomes, it means a lot.  Even though we weren't hoping for damage it's a great way to learn the rig and be creative.  Will keep you updated, should have some major progress to show by tomorrow night.






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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2019, 09:41:45 am »
Current status..

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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2019, 09:12:25 pm »
Speaking of fiberglass insulation in the transitions and the cap...
Was thinking about requesting that PC put some dynamat in those areas before the insulation goes in thinking those areas might add to noise in the cab.
I asked Barry about this and he kind of dismissed the idea as unnecessary and said the fiberglass did a good job on noise.
Would you guys agree?
I also asked about adding dynamat to the inside of the door skins and got the same answer. I have gotten excellent results using dynamat in passenger cars for sound deadening.
Made my Camry ride like an Avalon! Have a feeling if they won't do the doors at the factory that I will be doing it myself.

Might be worth considering while your transitions are open.

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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2019, 05:09:37 am »
Speaking of fiberglass insulation in the transitions and the cap...
Was thinking about requesting that PC put some dynamat in those areas before the insulation goes in thinking those areas might add to noise in the cab.
I asked Barry about this and he kind of dismissed the idea as unnecessary and said the fiberglass did a good job on noise.
Would you guys agree?
I also asked about adding dynamat to the inside of the door skins and got the same answer. I have gotten excellent results using dynamat in passenger cars for sound deadening.
Made my Camry ride like an Avalon! Have a feeling if they won't do the doors at the factory that I will be doing it myself.

Might be worth considering while your transitions are open.

I agree that dynamat is not a necessary item to dampen fiberglass. it has no 'resonance' to dampen.

  Quick test to see if noise dampening material will help - pound on it with a closed fist. Slap it quicker and lighter also, you are trying to emulate road vibrations.  Does it have a dull thud? No dampening needed. Does it 'ring' or 'gong' at all? Or do the vibrations make something else 'buzz'? Dampen it.

Restoring my 2350, I found the noise(s) in the cab were all ceiling and top cabinet related. Only ONE of 8 screws were seated correctly attaching the cutaway roof to the cabinets - had a horrible noise sometimes right above the passenger head.  I upgraded the screws with carriage bolts... After firmly re-attaching the cabinets to the original roof, I am VERY pleased with the lack of noise on the highway. The 'creak-creak' it used to have going over rough terrain slowly is gone also.  heartshower

Doing the cockpit floor with dampening material made a big difference also. My coach is 'airplane' quiet on the road now.
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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2020, 06:48:52 am »
RoadToNowhereRV, I know this is an old thread but we just found a mess in the transition section of our 2016 2910.

Any photos or input on how you sealed your wall back up after your repairs would be appreciated.

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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2020, 04:04:02 pm »
These threads are good to resurface. Reminds us to remove and replace the sealants on seams.    I have several tubes at home. This reminder will make me set a time to do the work .   

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Re: "Peace be the Journey" damage pictures and repair thread.
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2020, 04:06:06 pm »
Glad I can help.  Reminds me to sell this POS soon as I can get it fixed.....

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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2020, 05:00:55 pm »
Iím sorry to hear yours has become a pos for you. I know it can happen in darn near anything. What you have going is big enough.  Any other issues ?


I talk to a lot of owners of diff brands.  I find happy and no where near happy in damn near every one Iíve talked to.  I I used to be sold on getting a coach house one day.  Then on this trip I came across a nearly new 272xl.  I wasnít overly impressed in anything other than the one piece body.  I was surprised, I really expected to be wowed but it didnít happen for me.


I hope you get your issues fixed and can sell it for a price you feel comfortable with.  Once something rubs a person raw itís many times easier to just move on.  Iíve been there myself
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