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Ron Dittmer

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Re: Introduce Yourself!
« Reply #225 on: February 15, 2012, 05:42:50 pm »
Would like to have had swivel drivers chair, however my under 5' bride requiers the 6 way.
I am a lot taller than my wife (as seen in my signature picture) so our leg lengths are quite different.  This means the driver seat goes to extreme positions to accomodate.  The 6-way power seat meets the need nicely.  I also appreciate how I can shift my weight while driving for extended periods, using the tilt and height adjustment.  So for us, the 6-way power seat is essential.

About the outside shower, admittedly we too don't use it a lot, but when we do, it really is nice.  Sometimes after a morning hike, a quick hair shampoo or foot wash is welcoming, especially in hot climates.  We could surely live without an outside shower, but would likely miss it because we have one today.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2012, 05:51:07 pm by ron.dittmer »
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Re: Introduce Yourself!
« Reply #226 on: February 16, 2012, 09:54:54 am »
Paul/Marlyn, Did you know the factory has a used model 2100 for sale right now on ebay? The main differences between that on and a new one are the follow.

- Single battery without inverter
  New one has 2 batteries and whole house inverter
- Old heavy and small screen CRT TV
- Rear outside wall has corner seam work and no rear storage compartment, and spare tire is not integrated
- Conventional screen door
- Looks to be rear heavy, maybe needing helper springs to level it out
- Not a flush mounted stove and sink with covers.

Their price of $30,000 is negotiable.  If money was tight, having to consider a used one, I would not pay his asking price.  But I would discuss it.  One thing for sure is that I would require they do something to level it out, helper springs or air bags, or something.  And have them include in the deal some type of awning, and replace the TV and associated cabinetry with the 26" widescreen and the current cabinets around it.  They have been known to do requests on used models.

Here it is on ebay right now:  http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110826229263&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en
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Re: Introduce Yourself!
« Reply #227 on: February 16, 2012, 11:19:12 am »
"Their price of $30,000 is negotiable.  If money was tight, having to consider a used one, I would not pay his asking price.  But I would discuss it.  One thing for sure is that I would require they do something to level it out, helper springs or air bags, or something.  And have them include in the deal some type of awning, and replace the TV and associated cabinetry with the 26" widescreen and the current cabinets around it.  They have been known to do requests on used models.
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Ron,
If I was Stuart I would be sending you hate mail for posting things like this on their web site. What goes on between Phoenix and a buyer should be between them and not you. If the buyer wants to have things changed, it should be up to them, not you. What a buyer pays for a unit is between them and Phoenix, not you.  I know you are only trying to help, but it is not your business so you should stay out of it.  It is OK to point out the availability of a unit but you should stop there. This is just my thinking and has nothing to do with Phoenix USA.
Tom

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Re: Introduce Yourself!
« Reply #228 on: February 16, 2012, 12:28:44 pm »
Thanks for the heads-up on the 2100 but think we'll wait and look at getting a new one. The amenities on the new ones are just too tempting to pass up! :-D

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Re: Introduce Yourself!
« Reply #229 on: February 16, 2012, 12:57:27 pm »
If I was Stuart I would be sending you hate mail for posting things like this on their web site. What goes on between Phoenix and a buyer should be between them and not you. If the buyer wants to have things changed, it should be up to them, not you. What a buyer pays for a unit is between them and Phoenix, not you.  I know you are only trying to help, but it is not your business so you should stay out of it.  It is OK to point out the availability of a unit but you should stop there. This is just my thinking and has nothing to do with Phoenix USA. Tom
I do get into trouble by sharing my thoughts and ideas, speaking so freely all the time.  That is why I would make a terrible politician.  Your point is well noted.  I will try to be better in the future.

I was going to share this with them off-line, but they have their email hidden, so I shared it here.  Still not a good excuse.  I will try harder to be a good boy.
« Last Edit: February 16, 2012, 12:59:27 pm by ron.dittmer »
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Re: Introduce Yourself!
« Reply #230 on: February 25, 2012, 01:26:42 am »
I’ve liked all of Ron’s commentary to Paul & Marilyn regarding their pending purchase.  We’re odd ducks sometimes, as it would appear we’re both into analyzing chassis specs and their implications.  I’m hopelessly “spec” oriented.  And by looking at them, you can even further custom tailor your chassis to your needs, provided you want to spend the time.  My favorite “what-if” is in specifying a limited-slip rear differential.

Here is the most recent Ford motorhome-chassis-specific data sheet:

https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/specialty_vehicles/Class_C_Chassis_brochure_LoRes.pdf

This one is more accurate for our needs, as it is specific to MOTORHOME cut-aways, while the general site is for COMMERCIAL cutaways only.

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Re: Introduce Yourself!
« Reply #231 on: February 25, 2012, 01:27:21 am »
Tom is not incorrect in advancing the idea that in specifying the 5.4 litre V8, one might be getting “lesser” capacities or capabilities elsewhere.  And it would appear as regards the commercial chassis, that would be so.  But other than for towing purposes, are likely not so with the motorhome chassis otherwise.

We already know that PC (and most other manufacturers) modify stock chassis lengths.  And if you look to the motorhome chassis spec sheets, you’ll divine that in order to get the max GVWR rating and fuel tank capacity for all E350-based chassis models, whatever the final wheelbase; PC likely orders the longer chassis and cuts them down.  It would seem alternator ratings would likely be the same for a motorhome chassis across the entire line, and that the 55-gallon tank comes standard on that longer chassis as well.

On the other hand, the 2100 would fit on a standard Ford Chassis without modification from a longer chassis.  But if that were so, AND with the 5.4 specifically, the GVWR would be less than as advertised by PC, as well as lesser standard fuel capacity per Ford vs. PC specs.  But that could be made up by special-order GVWR specs by PC, as well as an optional fuel tank size.  It’s tricky and inscrutable.

In the end, just go with PC.  While it would seem you could save $1,200, some of that savings could be eaten up with chassis modification and option costs on the downside.  A smaller motor, forced to work harder, may only end up matching V10 fuel economy anyway.  And there are likely myriad other considerations for PC in manufacturing a house on a V8 vs. a V10 chassis on a lot of levels.  I’d say stick with the “standard” V10 PC chassis and be done with it.  Every change, while there may be a corresponding savings on the front end, could have additional costs on the back end.


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Re: Introduce Yourself!
« Reply #232 on: February 25, 2012, 01:28:09 am »
As Ron pointed out, both his 2350 & the 2100 have a lot more ass-end hanging out over the rear axle.  If you like the 2100, and you want to alleviate this issue, maybe you might consider the 2400?  The 2400 has a more favorable wheelbase ratio, plus you gain twice as much wardrobe, additional galley counter space and pantry storage, as well as a larger bed.  You might also find the bathroom to be a bit more roomy when “on the throne” - speaking as a larger gentleman myself.

And Ron – as for different V10 power ratings, there is a difference in tune and output between the E-series cutaway and the F53(?) A-class motorhome chassis.  While there may be differences in E-cutaways of commercial vs motorhome chassis, the motorhome chassis power ratings appear to be identical across the board, other than for cutaways vs. class A’s.

Outside “shower”?  I think I’d retain it.  First, when used as a shower outdoors, you can delay the inevitable emptying of gray water tanks.  Second, you retain the ability to provide hot water outside the home for ANY other use.  Not to mention resale value.

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Re: Introduce Yourself!
« Reply #233 on: February 25, 2012, 01:28:44 am »
I don’t agree with any criticism of free speech and discussion.  At all.

Ron only points out OBVIOUS differences between older and newer models.  They’re entirely obvious for anyone shopping around on the web with a critical eye, and would be ABSOLUTELY obvious to Paul & Marilyn, who’ve stated they plan to drop in and visit in person.  And in so doing, will see so for themselves anyway.  So what’s the “harm”?  I don’t see it.

Meanwhile, Ron points out an available unit.  And if they’re considering the most cost-effective unit they possibly can, again – what’s the harm?  Between used and new, there’s a $50k price differential here, which is HUGE.  Such differential as is offset by superior attributes from newer units of the same floorplan.  Unless it’s being suggested here that either Paul & Marilyn are too dull to see the differences between an older and newer model?  Or unless it’s being suggested here that Stewart will fail to point same out to Paul & Marilyn just to make a sale over securing a valued lifetime customer for PC?

And as for an opinion on pricing?  ANY savvy shopper of ANY product – when haggling is permissible - will NEVER pay full asking price.  All I see Ron doing is trying to educate.  And if educating is dangerous…….?

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Re: Introduce Yourself!
« Reply #234 on: February 25, 2012, 01:29:19 am »
That’s why I continue to be impressed with this Forum.  Such discussion of value and features here no doubt also informs PC as regards pricing sensitivity, floor plan desirability and option trends that will only enhance their business volume and relevance overall.

Meanwhile, Paul & Marilyn, PC informs us on the general website, that a new 2100 is currently being built, and that you should call for details on this very unit.

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aimee

Re: Introduce Yourself!
« Reply #235 on: March 06, 2012, 11:30:34 pm »
I haven't meandered in here for a good long while for various reasons, but I thought I'd pop in and say  (w) to all the new members. I'll try to pop in more often to say hello.

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Re: Introduce Yourself!
« Reply #236 on: March 07, 2012, 08:52:39 pm »
Thanks for the welcome. We're enjoying, and learning a lot, from the forum. Hope your ankle is healing (not quickly enough I know!).
Marilyn & Paul   tymote

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« Reply #237 on: March 08, 2012, 03:30:35 pm »
 tymote much.  See you around!

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« Reply #238 on: March 09, 2012, 09:31:07 pm »
We have very bad bathroom odors from the toilet, shower room with empty tanks, or partly filled tanks, while moving.

We keep water in the toilet and put a one quart ziplock bag filled with water over the shower drain, but still have the odor while moving.

Any ideas?




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« Reply #239 on: March 09, 2012, 10:31:06 pm »
 Is your tank completely empty? The next thing would be the toilet gasket. How old is your rig? You might need to replace the rubber gasket, not hard. Worst case scenario one of your vent tubes could be below water level, but probably most likely NOT. There will be other suggestions, one might be an after market devise goes on vent pipe to help draw out oders. I have never used one. Good luck
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