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General Discussion / 2008 PC2350 ELECTRICAL SCHEMATIC
« on: August 14, 2022, 08:09:49 am »
As a retired marine/mechanical engineer, the lack of documentation for my 2008 PC2350 is somewhat annoying. I have frequently referred to Keelhauler's excellent schematic of his 2012 PC2552 electrical system while trying to figure out mine. While there are some significant differences to my unit (mine has the Tripp-Lite Inverter Charger and Iota Distribution Panel in lieu of the Progressive Dynamics Converter Charger and Xantac Inverter of the newer units) a lot of it is similar.

I recently sat down and took a shot at making an electrical schematic specific to my rig and thought I would share it for the use of others with older rigs. It represents my PC2350 as it was when I bought it last year and, I believe, as built in 2008. If anyone sees any errors, please let me know.

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General Discussion / Re: Unlabeled Fuses
« on: August 14, 2022, 07:02:49 am »
OK, I realize it's been over a year since I did this post, but I finally found the answer. I was in the process of replacing my failed Tripp-Lite Inverter Charge with a Renogy unit and was enlarging the hole where the remote panel mounts for the larger Renogy remote panel. This is next to the Iota distribution panel. In the process I noticed a taped-up bundle of 4 wires coming from the back of the Iota panel and leading nowhere. I realized they were the unused pigtails leading to fuses 9 thru 12. I had assumed because they had fuses in them, they must power something. I have removed the fuses and put them with my spares.

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General Discussion / Re: Backup camera monitor location
« on: May 02, 2021, 07:14:25 pm »
I replaced the factory installed Force Protection backup camera monitor with a Pyle monitor that clips to the existing rear view mirror.
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General Discussion / Unlabeled Fuses
« on: April 07, 2021, 06:13:06 pm »
I've been acquainting myself with the electrical system of our 2008 PC2350. Keelhauler's 2552 Electrical Schematic has been a great help. Even though my PC has the older Trip Lite Inverter/Charger and the IOTA distribution panel, I've found that his schematic still matches my unit's wiring pretty closely.

My question involves the 12V fuse panel. From Keelhauler's schematic and from a number of other posts that I've searched on the forum, it appears that PC typically uses only fuses 1 through 8. On my coach, fuses 1 through 8 are labeled and match Keelhauler's schematic. Fuses 9 through 12 are also used but are not labeled. It appears to be a factory install as all 4 wires go into the factory wire bundles behind the distribution panel.

Does anyone else have a unit that uses fuses 9 through 12 and do you know what they supply?

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General Discussion / Re: Maiden voyage cut short
« on: March 20, 2021, 05:52:08 pm »
Update - I replaced the circuit breaker and relay and its charging fine now. The old relay tested ok so I cleaned it up for a spare. The circuit breaker as predicted was toast.

Unfortunately, my house batteries were also toast. While charging, the voltage read 13.6 volts but dropped to about 12 volts soon after charging was discontinued. I considered converting to two 6 volt AGMs but in the end decided on a pair of Duracell 12 volt deep cycle group 31 AGMs. While removing the old batteries, the battery drawer slides fell apart. Given that the EZ-Glide drawer was only rated for 100 lbs. and a pair of group 31s weigh about 140 lbs., I'm not surprised. I replaced it with a MORryde SP60-041 Sliding Battery Tray which is rated for 150 lbs. It fit right in. My only concern was 4 pop rivets that protruded into the battery tray on each side that could potentially damage the batteries. I cut a couple of pieces of plastic trim to fit with drilled holes in way of the rivets. I cleaned up all of the connection and installed the new batteries in the tray. I set the dip switches on my Tripp-Lite inverter for AGMs and, knock on wood, my electrical problems appear resolved.

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General Discussion / Re: Maiden voyage cut short
« on: March 10, 2021, 07:42:57 am »
Thanks for the responses!
 
Taking CalCruisers advice, I've ordered a second circuit breaker to keep as a spare. I also plan to test the old relay after I replace it and if its good, I'll clean it up and carry it as a spare as well.

Ron, thats a wealth of ideas. We're planning a trip to Idaho to visit our niece in June and I plan to replace my coach batteries with AGMs before then. After reading your posts, I think I'll go with 6v Golf Cart batteries as well.

I wish the Tripp Lite had a de-sulfate mode. I replaced the converter charger in the Parallax power distribution panel in my last 2 coaches with a Progressive Dynamics 4 stage (including de-sulfate mode) unit so that I can leave the coach plugged in 24/7 without cooking the batteries. I believe the de-sulfate mode restored 2 batteries that I thought were lost causes. When I laid up my old Born Free for the winter shortly after replacing the converter charger, I was planning to replace the batteries in the spring as they wouldn't last a night of running the furnace. We were pleasantly surprised in the spring (after being plugged in all winter) to find they would run the furnace all night with charge to spare. Those batteries were still in it when I sold the rig a year and a half later.

My new relay and circuit breaker should be here tomorrow, so maybe we'll try our trip again next week.

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General Discussion / Re: Maiden voyage cut short
« on: March 09, 2021, 06:16:36 pm »
  We made it home about 8:30 pm. We actually had this same issue with our Winnebago last March returning from an Arizona trip cut short due to the pandemic. I ended up replacing the solenoid that allows the engine alternator to charge the house batteries when the engine is running but isolates them when the ignition is off. Assuming this is a similar problem, I spent this morning perusing this forum for posts related to the solenoid on PCs. It was time well spent and I quickly discovered from various posts that the solenoid and a 40A self resetting circuit breaker are located under the hood on the drivers side under the engine coolant reservoir. I popped the hood and undid the 3 bolts holding the reservoir and moved it out of the way and there they were. After looking at the corrosion on the electrical connections, I've decided to replace both and to replace the lugs on the wires.
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General Discussion / Maiden voyage cut short
« on: March 09, 2021, 04:45:00 pm »
  On Saturday we saw that the weather forecast was looking good for this week (mostly sunny, day temps in the 40s) so we decided that on Monday, we would make a quick trip down the coast to Bar Harbor and Acadia National Park, returning Wednesday. This would be our maiden voyage in our "new to us" 2008 PC2350 that we purchased in early February.
  On Sunday morning, I unplugged the coach and moved it close to the front door to get things ready for our trip. The temp was in the thirties so I was intermittently running the furnace or the engine dash heat to warm the coach while getting it ready. Monday morning I closed the FW tank drain and low point drains and filled the FW tank about half full (only intended to use it for toilet flushing this trip). When I tested the pump, I could hear it try to start and the monitor panel pump alarm would sound. I figured there was residual water in the pump when the prior owner winterized it and this had frozen. I cranked up the heat and tried the pump again about an hour later and she fired right up. Bled the air from the faucets and left the pump switched on. After a half hour, the pump hadn't cycled on so no leaks. Fridge had cooled down nicely, everything looked good to go. Loaded up the Audrey and the cat and we hit the road.
  First stop, Main Street Fuel and Hardware in Richmond ME where we topped off the propane tank. We then worked our way on back roads down to Newcastle/Damariscotta where we picked up US Route 1 and headed downeast. Stopped for lunch in Camden and then back on the road up the west side of Penobscot Bay. The old girl is purring along nicely. I've noticed that with the 4 speed automatic, the engine doesn't roar nearly as much as with the 5 speed in our Winnebago. In Orland, we passed the intersection with Route 166 where 40 odd years ago I would have turned off for my Alma Mater, Maine Maritime Academy in Castine. Another half hour and we pulled into the Walmart Family Campground in Ellsworth (the real campgrounds in Maine don't usually open till May). As it nearly 5 PM and the sun sets about 5:30, we decide to stay put for the night an head onto the island in the morning. My wife decided to take a nap and I sat and read a bit. About 5:30, I noticed when flushing the toilet, the pump didn't sound right. Slower, kind of weak. I checked the monitor panel, only the bottom light lit for the battery charge. Plugged my voltage tester in the 12v outlet in the cabinet next to the TV. Only 10.7 volts. Houston, we have a problem. After the 4 plus hours on the road, the batteries be near full charge. Clearly the engine isn't charging the house batteries.
  Overnight temps are expected to drop to the mid 20s and we clearly don't have enough juice for the furnace. I see four options, (1) start the genny and let it charge the batteries . . . click click . . . oh yeah, the genny starts off the coach batteries. I see 3 options, (1) bundle up in blankets until morning when Audrey can get up start the engine and I can get up when everything's warm and toasty,  (2) leave the engine running all night or (3) cut the trip short and return home.
  I reviewed our options with the the rest of the crew, making clear my preference for option (1). The cat was totally unconcerned, between her fur coat and the choice of 2 warm bodies to snuggle with, she didn't see a problem. The mission commander however, told me where I could stuff my blankets and ordered me to set course back home.

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General Discussion / Re: Rooftop Warm Air Diverting Fin???
« on: March 04, 2021, 07:55:35 am »
Thanks! I love this forum.

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General Discussion / Rooftop Warm Air Diverting Fin???
« on: March 03, 2021, 12:59:39 pm »
From my recliner at home, the roof of our 08 PC2350 is visible out the window. It had been covered with about 4 inches of snow since a few days after we purchased it and brought it home. Last week however, we had several above freezing days and the snow has gradually melted revealing the usual RV roof top items, but one has me puzzled, a 3 to 4 inch tall, 12 to 15 inch long plastic fin maybe an eighth of an inch thick. It's oriented fore and aft and is located about half way between the roof top AC and the roof vent for the refrigerator. The only possible function my feeble mind has come up with is perhaps to divert warm air from the refrigerator vent being drawn into the AC cooling vents reducing it's efficiency. Can anyone confirm this?

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General Discussion / Air Lift Suspension Surprise
« on: February 26, 2021, 09:31:38 am »
Anxiously awaiting spring or at the very least, above freezing temperatures, I was out in the Cruiser getting acquainted (we've only had it a few weeks). Under the drivers seat I discovered the unit in the picture below. As it has the Air Lift logo on the pressure gauge, I'm assuming I have an Air Lift suspension kit installed with a compressor. I have no documentation other than a note left by one of the prior owners saying air suspension controls under drivers seat, which is what prompted me to look. Once it warms up a little I'll run it and see if I can locate the compressor. Don't want to run it with the temp in the teens in case there's frozen condensation in the compressor. Any suggestions on what pressure I should set them at for a 2350 with slide? On my 31ft Winnie (E450) I run about 50 psi which makes a world of difference, but this is a much smaller unit.

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General Discussion / Re: Charging Engine Battery via Dash 12V Power Ports
« on: February 21, 2021, 04:45:59 pm »
I have done something similar to maintain charge on the engine battery.  Described here. 
https://forum.phoenixusarv.com/index.php?topic=3407.msg28963#msg28963


Also if you have solar panels converting the momentary white switch to the left of the steering column to an on/off switch as described in several of “Keelhauler’s “ posts is useful to recharge the engine battery.
Thanks! The plugin voltmeter is a great idea! I'll be ordering one. I've also been discussing solar with senior management but I haven't convinced her yet.

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  Our first RV was a 27ft 92 Coachmen Capri Class A that we bought in 1999 in Gulfport Mississippi while I was part of a 2 year employee exchange between my employer and our competitor in Pascagoula. It was an awkward layout and poorly built but we used it intermittently until 2012.
  In 2012 we spotted a 19ft 98 American Cruiser Class B for sale beside the road while returning home from a weekend at Acadia National Park. The American Cruiser was an amazing use of limited space and a lot of fun but just too small. Setting up the dinette and sofa for sleeping at night and back again in the morning was time consuming.
  In 2015 just before I retired, I found a 24 ft 97 Born Free Class C on Craigslist in Hartford Connecticut. This was a great unit, rivaling Phoenix Cruiser for quality of build and materials. Depending upon the model, each Born Free had 4 to 5 tube steel roll bars built into the wall and roof structure, after the founder witnessed RV roll over where a child was killed. Each Born Free was assembled by a 4 man team. Unfortunately, the founder of the family owned business died several years ago and the remaining family sold it and they closed their doors a year or so later. Our only complaint was that in our rear bath model, sleeping was limited to the jackknife sofa which was somewhat uncomfortable and the bed over the cab. We used it extensively traveling around Maine and as far as Johnstown, Pennsylvania.
  In 2017 I spotted a 31ft 03 Winnebago Minnie for sale on Craigslist in Beverly Mass. While not nearly the quality of the Born Free, it is more comfortable with a big slide on one side encompassing the sofa and dinette, and a queen size bed in the rear bedroom. We have used it extensively around the northeast as well as a trip to the Grand Canyon last March. We cut that trip short when the began shutting things down due to COVID. It was eerie on the return trip to Maine because most of the highways were empty of cars although the big rigs were still rolling. We've really enjoyed the Winnie, but we really missed the convenience and maneuverability of the Born Free.
  In early January, I noticed a Craigslist add for a 2008 Phoenix Cruiser 2350, again in Beverly Mass. Closer inspection of the add showed it was the same person who sold us the Winnie (he sells RVs on consignment). Unfortunately my wife and I were both suffering with Covid at the time (she in the hospital) so I couldn't do anything about it. Fortunately we both recovered and were declared no longer contagious. Surprisingly, the add was still up and the price had been reduced so I gave him a call and we drove down to look at it. This was the first Phoenix Cruiser I had seen and I was very impressed. The quality was on par with Born Free. So we bought it and brought it home on February 4 and its sitting in the driveway waiting for the string of storms that have been going through since to end. We'll probably throw the porta-potty in it (so I won't have to un-winterize it) for a quick winter maiden voyage to Acadia in the next week or two depending on the weather. We love the layout and size and are looking forward to many adventures in it.
 

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General Discussion / Charging Engine Battery via Dash 12V Power Ports
« on: February 21, 2021, 12:11:21 pm »
Hi, I'm new to the forum and have been exploring the topics with great interest. I've noticed several posts about maintaining the charge on the engine battery while the rig is in storage but haven't seen any mention of the technique that I've used on my Winnebago for the past 3 years and plan to use on our recently purchased 08 PC 2350 as well.
I store our 03 Winnebago (and our PC) next to my generator shed (home power backup) where I have installed a 30A hook-up. I replaced the converter charger in the Parallax power distribution panel with a Progressive Dynamics 3 stage plus de-sulfate mode unit so that I can leave the coach plugged in 24/7 without cooking the batteries. For my engine battery I use a BatteryMINDer 1510 12 Volt-1.5 Amp Battery Charger/Maintainer/Desulfator with a BatteryMINDer VPP-12 12/24 Volt Vehicle Power Plug.

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I plug the charger into the 110 volt outlet nearest to the dashboard of the coach. I plug the charge cable connector into the corresponding connector the 12/24V plug, and plug it into one of the dashboard 12v power sockets.  On my Winnie (Ford E450), these are hot with the ignition on or off and I assume they are in the PC as well. This has worked great and requires no modifications to the coach and can be installed without even popping the hood. I can't take credit for it though, I saw it on the Born Free Forum (I had a Born Free prior to the Winnie).


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General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself!
« on: February 19, 2021, 12:23:48 pm »
Hello,
New member. I recently purchased a 2008 PC 2350 with slide that I found on Craigslist. It has just over 30,000 miles on it and I got it for $37,500 which I thought was a pretty good deal. It's in great shape and everything seems to be in working order. Driving it home from Massachusetts to Maine, it rode and handled great.
I'm new to the forum but not to RVing. This is our fifth motorhome. Since 2000, we've had a 27' 92 Coachmen Capri class A, a 19' 98 American Cruiser class B, a 24' 97 Born Free RB class C and currently a 31' 03 Winnebago Minnie class C. The Coachmen was just simply poorly designed and built. The American Cruiser was super fun and an amazing use of limited space, but in the end just to small for comfort. The Born Free was a great size with build quality similar to PC but for sleeping it was the cab-over bed or the Flex steel jackknife sofa, neither of which was ideal. The Winnebago with rear bedroom and huge slide is comfortable and has served us well for the last 3 years, but the build quality is mediocre at best, and I missed the maneuverability of the Born Free. For me, I think the 22-25 feet is the best compromise between size and drivability. I think the PC2350 with the rear quarter bed and the tri-fold bed in the slide will be the ideal design for us that we have been looking for.
I have already found this forum to be a wealth of information.

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