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Very pleased with reliability of our 2007 2350!!
« on: November 03, 2022, 03:07:34 pm »
We just returned from a 3 month, 17,000 trip around a lot of North America, and I want to report that our stock, "almost antique", PC (bought used in 2020with 62K miles. now with 87K miles total), was completely reliable the entire trip. This trip included some of the roughest and toughest and steepest dirt and paved roads in Yukon, Alaska, BC, and the Sountwestern US (inc. the Alaska Hwy, Cassiar Hwy, Denali Hwy, Top of the World Hwy, Bella Coola "The Hill", Butler Wash, San Rafael Swell, Chaco Canyon, various BLM and Forest Service dirt roads, I80 (lol!), etc. etc.). I'd wager we drove it on quite a few roads that would be deemed by many to be unfit for motorhomes. We got a lot of "what the heck are YOU doing here?!" looks from other RV'ers in their truck campers or conversion vans. The only failures were the microwave/convection oven (Samsung fail, not PC), two plastic cabinet latches, and I tore off the macerator pump on the Denali Hwy (frankly glad to be rid of it as we never used it anyway so it was just dead weight). We had no problems "boondocking" for up to 6 days with our fresh and waste water storage and 12v system (maybe could have gone even more days?). The trip was incredible, and we saw the most beautiful places and met many great people. Congratulations to the Phoenix Cruiser folks who designed and built our rig.  :)(: We plan to do whatever we need to do to keep it on the road for many years to come.
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Re: Very pleased with reliability of our 2007 2350!!
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2022, 10:15:19 pm »
What a great trip!   I saw a guy bust a bunch of cabinets loose on a nice pull behind trailer on that Chaco Canyon road.   You had great lifetime experiences.   Glad you PC did it's task.   

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Re: Very pleased with reliability of our 2007 2350!!
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2022, 07:18:28 am »
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Hi flei,

We have the same model and model year as you.  Though we have not done such a challenging trip, I have a similar assessment.

An unrelated note.  Look under the rear of your PC around your rear axle.  You won't have a rear stabilizer bar unless a previous owner installed one,   If you lack one, you will be surprised with the improvement in handling after installing a heavy duty aftermarket stabilizer bar.

Also, your front stabilizer bar end link/grommets will likely benefit from a 90 degree rotation.  Better yet would be to replace the bar with a heavy duty version which does not utilize those grommets.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2022, 08:16:28 am by Ron Dittmer »
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Re: Very pleased with reliability of our 2007 2350!!
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2022, 03:55:13 pm »
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Hi flei,

We have the same model and model year as you.  Though we have not done such a challenging trip, I have a similar assessment.

An unrelated note.  Look under the rear of your PC around your rear axle.  You won't have a rear stabilizer bar unless a previous owner installed one,   If you lack one, you will be surprised with the improvement in handling after installing a heavy duty aftermarket stabilizer bar.

Also, your front stabilizer bar end link/grommets will likely benefit from a 90 degree rotation.  Better yet would be to replace the bar with a heavy duty version which does not utilize those grommets.

Hello Ron-  I was aware we had the same year and model. I have closley followed all of your mods/improvments over the years and you have been very helpful. tymote

Our PC does not have a rear sway bar and has the stock front bar.  Next Spring I do plan to replace the very worn out shocks (with the Bilsteins you recommended), get the brakes done and add a better front and rear sway bar. Our PC then ought to be good for at least another 85,000 miles. . heartshower   
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Re: Very pleased with reliability of our 2007 2350!!
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2022, 09:34:13 pm »
Hello Ron-  I was aware we had the same year and model. I have closley followed all of your mods/improvments over the years and you have been very helpful.

Our PC does not have a rear sway bar and has the stock front bar.  Next Spring I do plan to replace the very worn out shocks (with the Bilsteins you recommended), get the brakes done and add a better front and rear sway bar. Our PC then ought to be good for at least another 85,000 miles.
2o2  Doing as you plan will give you the most improvement for the buck.
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Re: Very pleased with reliability of our 2007 2350!!
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2022, 11:55:24 am »
What a fantastic adventure. Sounds like you really put your PC though one heck of a challenge.  I have a 2008 2350 and it's a beast too.  We pride ourselves on boon docking and find ourselves in some pretty sketchy places but with a little common sense the 'Minimoto' comes though.  The weakness lies in the macerator, have had to repair it 3 times.  Yes, it's on me but it hangs so low and is unprotected for the most part.   I plan on removing the entire waste line this winter, rebuilding the valves and securing the macerator with better protection.  I too follow Ron's suggestions and tweaks (thanks Ron!).
Thank you for sharing your travels.
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Re: Very pleased with reliability of our 2007 2350!!
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2022, 08:28:55 pm »
That sounds like a great adventure. How did you cope with leveling? I can imagine low hanging automatic jacks  might be too much of a hazard on the worst roads.

We enjoy dry camping  at  California’s great state parks , but quicky learned that many campgrounds and specific campsites are too far off level. I have a whole pile of destroyed leveling blocks from trying  roflol
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Re: Very pleased with reliability of our 2007 2350!!
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2022, 10:15:14 pm »
That sounds like a great adventure. How did you cope with leveling? I can imagine low hanging automatic jacks  might be too much of a hazard on the worst roads.

We enjoy dry camping  at  California’s great state parks , but quicky learned that many campgrounds and specific campsites are too far off level. I have a whole pile of destroyed leveling blocks from trying  roflol
Often we could search out a fairly level spot most everywhere. There is a lot of open land to camp on in Alaska, Yukon, BC, Montana, etc. and in the Southwest, so finding a fairly level spot wasn't often very hard. Then just used cheap leveling blocks.(good for up to 6" off level). And at times just tolerated being 1-3" off. 
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Re: Very pleased with reliability of our 2007 2350!!
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2022, 08:07:08 am »
I too follow Ron's suggestions and tweaks (thanks Ron!)
You are very welcome!  It is rewarding to know that my documentation of things done is useful to others.

For PC members who don't already know, I linked my Tips & Tricks inside one post.  I initially did that for myself to quickly share a tip in other people's posts.  Here is the link.

https://forum.phoenixusarv.com/index.php?topic=3022.0

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Re: Very pleased with reliability of our 2007 2350!!
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2022, 08:16:05 am »
Our PC does not have levelers.  I adheared bubble levelers by the driver (also by the rear tires and in back) which has often worked well, especially when the parking area is uneven.  I just move the PC in and out of dips and such, watching the bubble levels to get our PC acceptabley level.

Admittedly, there have been times I wish I had those fancy levelers, especially when I have to bring out the Lynx Levelers while it is raining.
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Re: Very pleased with reliability of our 2007 2350!!
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2022, 03:13:41 pm »
What a fantastic adventure. Sounds like you really put your PC though one heck of a challenge.  I have a 2008 2350 and it's a beast too.  We pride ourselves on boon docking and find ourselves in some pretty sketchy places but with a little common sense the 'Minimoto' comes though.  The weakness lies in the macerator, have had to repair it 3 times.  Yes, it's on me but it hangs so low and is unprotected for the most part.   I plan on removing the entire waste line this winter, rebuilding the valves and securing the macerator with better protection.  I too follow Ron's suggestions and tweaks (thanks Ron!).
Thank you for sharing your travels.
Rex

I have replaced the Macerator.  A hairline crack was causing the housing to weep and the prospect of it dripping hastened my replacing the entire mechanism.   With no evidence of abrasion, or impact, I think the crack more likely developed from inadequate Winterization Procedures. 

With the considerable overhang of the Phoenix Cruiser rear compartment, dragging the undercarriage is an issue.   Before adding coasters to the rear frame, at the trailer hitch attach points, there were numerous occasions when the tailpipe would drag. 

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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2022, 04:45:08 pm »
"What a fantastic adventure. Sounds like you really put your PC though one heck of a challenge.  I have a 2008 2350 and it's a beast too.  We pride ourselves on boon docking and find ourselves in some pretty sketchy places but with a little common sense the 'Minimoto' comes though.  The weakness lies in the macerator, have had to repair it 3 times.  Yes, it's on me but it hangs so low and is unprotected for the most part.   I plan on removing the entire waste line this winter, rebuilding the valves and securing the macerator with better protection.  I too follow Ron's suggestions and tweaks (thanks Ron!).
Thank you for sharing your travels.
Rex"

"I have replaced the Macerator.  A hairline crack was causing the housing to weep and the prospect of it dripping hastened my replacing the entire mechanism.   With no evidence of abrasion, or impact, I think the crack more likely developed from inadequate Winterization Procedures.

With the considerable overhang of the Phoenix Cruiser rear compartment, dragging the undercarriage is an issue.   Before adding coasters to the rear frame, at the trailer hitch attach points, there were numerous occasions when the tailpipe would drag."

I took care of all my macerator issues on the Denali Highway. After a few miles of driving on the VERY rough road, when we stopped to camp I noticed that it was no longer there!  As we never once had used it and really do not see any need for it, I said good riddance! 
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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2023, 02:49:21 pm »
Hello Ron-  I was aware we had the same year and model. I have closley followed all of your mods/improvments over the years and you have been very helpful.

2o2  Doing as you plan will give you the most improvement for the buck.

I learned that changing the suspension as suggested by Ron, and verified by other members, makes a very beneficial improvement.  My PC Cruiser 2100 changed from difficult to control in crosswinds, inclined to migrate to the outside on curves, swaying in the traffic lane when overtaken by fast moving semi traffic and inclined to wander to very responsive.   Make the changes and see for yourself

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Re: Very pleased with reliability of our 2007 2350!!
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2023, 08:52:50 pm »
The Denali Highway!  Considering it's reputation for virtually destroying rental vehicles,   most Alaska RV Agencies absolutely prohibit their customers driving the 135 miles of gravel obstacles. Congratulations on having a vehicle that was robust enough to have survived.
I am sure many here are wondering: considering the combination of rough roads and accumulated mileage, what maintenance issues have been generated?  Anything break?  From reading those contributing to the Forum, I get the impression there isn't a Phoenix Cruiser in existence with 100,000 miles registered.

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Re: Very pleased with reliability of our 2007 2350!!
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2023, 12:02:33 pm »
The Denali Highway!  Considering it's reputation for virtually destroying rental vehicles,   most Alaska RV Agencies absolutely prohibit their customers driving the 135 miles of gravel obstacles. Congratulations on having a vehicle that was robust enough to have survived.
I am sure many here are wondering: considering the combination of rough roads and accumulated mileage, what maintenance issues have been generated?  Anything break?  From reading those contributing to the Forum, I get the impression there isn't a Phoenix Cruiser in existence with 100,000 miles registered.
Other than the issues in my initial post on this thread, we have had to do nothing other than routine maintainence on our PC (which had 63k miles on it at the time we bought it in March 2020). And the Denali Hwy was not by any means the roughest road we traveled. We did some "jeep trails" in Utah, Colorado and New Mexico, as well as the Top of The World Hwy and the McCarthy Rd in Alaska, Hwy 20 to Bella Coola, the Alaska Hwy (which has enormous frost heaves!), the Cassiar Hwy, and many other small rough roads/trails in Yukon and BC, and driven it through fields to find campsites etc etc, Frankly, the rig gets more abuse from the paved roads here in Mass. than it did from any of those supposedly "rough roads"!  We obviously don't drive fast and pay attention to large holes, rocks, etc., when we are "off-roading", but IMO the PC is put together very well and the E350 chassis is notably strong and reliable. We DEFINITELY plan to take this rig to over 100K miles in the next couple of years! 
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