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Maiden voyage cut short
« on: March 09, 2021, 04:45:00 pm »
  On Saturday we saw that the weather forecast was looking good for this week (mostly sunny, day temps in the 40s) so we decided that on Monday, we would make a quick trip down the coast to Bar Harbor and Acadia National Park, returning Wednesday. This would be our maiden voyage in our "new to us" 2008 PC2350 that we purchased in early February.
  On Sunday morning, I unplugged the coach and moved it close to the front door to get things ready for our trip. The temp was in the thirties so I was intermittently running the furnace or the engine dash heat to warm the coach while getting it ready. Monday morning I closed the FW tank drain and low point drains and filled the FW tank about half full (only intended to use it for toilet flushing this trip). When I tested the pump, I could hear it try to start and the monitor panel pump alarm would sound. I figured there was residual water in the pump when the prior owner winterized it and this had frozen. I cranked up the heat and tried the pump again about an hour later and she fired right up. Bled the air from the faucets and left the pump switched on. After a half hour, the pump hadn't cycled on so no leaks. Fridge had cooled down nicely, everything looked good to go. Loaded up the Audrey and the cat and we hit the road.
  First stop, Main Street Fuel and Hardware in Richmond ME where we topped off the propane tank. We then worked our way on back roads down to Newcastle/Damariscotta where we picked up US Route 1 and headed downeast. Stopped for lunch in Camden and then back on the road up the west side of Penobscot Bay. The old girl is purring along nicely. I've noticed that with the 4 speed automatic, the engine doesn't roar nearly as much as with the 5 speed in our Winnebago. In Orland, we passed the intersection with Route 166 where 40 odd years ago I would have turned off for my Alma Mater, Maine Maritime Academy in Castine. Another half hour and we pulled into the Walmart Family Campground in Ellsworth (the real campgrounds in Maine don't usually open till May). As it nearly 5 PM and the sun sets about 5:30, we decide to stay put for the night an head onto the island in the morning. My wife decided to take a nap and I sat and read a bit. About 5:30, I noticed when flushing the toilet, the pump didn't sound right. Slower, kind of weak. I checked the monitor panel, only the bottom light lit for the battery charge. Plugged my voltage tester in the 12v outlet in the cabinet next to the TV. Only 10.7 volts. Houston, we have a problem. After the 4 plus hours on the road, the batteries be near full charge. Clearly the engine isn't charging the house batteries.
  Overnight temps are expected to drop to the mid 20s and we clearly don't have enough juice for the furnace. I see four options, (1) start the genny and let it charge the batteries . . . click click . . . oh yeah, the genny starts off the coach batteries. I see 3 options, (1) bundle up in blankets until morning when Audrey can get up start the engine and I can get up when everything's warm and toasty,  (2) leave the engine running all night or (3) cut the trip short and return home.
  I reviewed our options with the the rest of the crew, making clear my preference for option (1). The cat was totally unconcerned, between her fur coat and the choice of 2 warm bodies to snuggle with, she didn't see a problem. The mission commander however, told me where I could stuff my blankets and ordered me to set course back home.
« Last Edit: March 09, 2021, 05:09:38 pm by Old Mainer »
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Re: Maiden voyage cut short
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2021, 05:38:06 pm »
With the engine running  the alternator will supply 13.5v charging voltage to the coach batteries to start the generator. If not check the automatic reset circuit breaker located under the hood on the driver side wheel well. I always carry a spare just in case (props to DonC for the idea). For $10 it’s cheap trip insurance.

https://www.amazon.com/Fastronix-Automatic-Reset-Circuit-Breaker/dp/B07NSDGNX6
« Last Edit: March 09, 2021, 06:14:02 pm by CalCruiser »
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Re: Maiden voyage cut short
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2021, 05:40:14 pm »
It's a bummer when your plans don't work out. Sounds like the mission commander made a good call. I hope you let her drive home.

We just went over to Arches National Park for a few days when the campground there reopened after broken water lines were repaired. It is 2 hours away, so no big deal. We knew the temps would be in the low 20's nights, but high 50's during the days and sunny...perfect hiking weather if it's not windy.

But when we go camp and I know the temps will be well below freezing and there is no electricity to be had, I don't fill the PC water system, instead taking a 7 gallon water jug, a few extra gallons of home tap water, and a few former tonic bottles to use to "flush" the toilet (which is my SOP, the random swirl from the toilet flush is never adequate and wastes water.) With some pink rv antifreeze in the gray and black tanks, the freezing temps are no worry.

Don't get discouraged.  Even a brand new RV has unwanted surprises.

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Re: Maiden voyage cut short
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2021, 06:16:36 pm »
  We made it home about 8:30 pm. We actually had this same issue with our Winnebago last March returning from an Arizona trip cut short due to the pandemic. I ended up replacing the solenoid that allows the engine alternator to charge the house batteries when the engine is running but isolates them when the ignition is off. Assuming this is a similar problem, I spent this morning perusing this forum for posts related to the solenoid on PCs. It was time well spent and I quickly discovered from various posts that the solenoid and a 40A self resetting circuit breaker are located under the hood on the drivers side under the engine coolant reservoir. I popped the hood and undid the 3 bolts holding the reservoir and moved it out of the way and there they were. After looking at the corrosion on the electrical connections, I've decided to replace both and to replace the lugs on the wires.
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Re: Maiden voyage cut short
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2021, 08:51:41 pm »
Whether your effort fixes your charging problem or not, you did good in replacing them due to rust and corrosion.

With our 2007 2350, I found it best to maintain the house and chassis batteries using an external charger.  The on-board Tripp-Lite inverter/converter is rough on them when plugged into the house and left on indefinitely for maintenance purposes as reflected with the house batteries boiling over and making a mess.  It's one thing during a trip, but left so for months at a time without getting used, seems to have it's issues.

I had lots of work maintaining two 12V batteries, but the two 6V AGM batteries are very forgiving.  I can go 2 months between 4 amp charging cycles, maybe even longer.  As I am writing this, I am thinking I should charge them overnight tonight.....it's time again.

You likely have the same setup as my 2007.  You might find THIS POST interesting and applicable.

You might be interested in THIS LIST OF POSTS too.

Oh, THIS POST too.

CLICK HERE for piles of grouped pictures, most of our PC and changes made to it.
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Re: Maiden voyage cut short
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2021, 07:42:57 am »
Thanks for the responses!
 
Taking CalCruisers advice, I've ordered a second circuit breaker to keep as a spare. I also plan to test the old relay after I replace it and if its good, I'll clean it up and carry it as a spare as well.

Ron, thats a wealth of ideas. We're planning a trip to Idaho to visit our niece in June and I plan to replace my coach batteries with AGMs before then. After reading your posts, I think I'll go with 6v Golf Cart batteries as well.

I wish the Tripp Lite had a de-sulfate mode. I replaced the converter charger in the Parallax power distribution panel in my last 2 coaches with a Progressive Dynamics 4 stage (including de-sulfate mode) unit so that I can leave the coach plugged in 24/7 without cooking the batteries. I believe the de-sulfate mode restored 2 batteries that I thought were lost causes. When I laid up my old Born Free for the winter shortly after replacing the converter charger, I was planning to replace the batteries in the spring as they wouldn't last a night of running the furnace. We were pleasantly surprised in the spring (after being plugged in all winter) to find they would run the furnace all night with charge to spare. Those batteries were still in it when I sold the rig a year and a half later.

My new relay and circuit breaker should be here tomorrow, so maybe we'll try our trip again next week.
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Re: Maiden voyage cut short
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2021, 05:52:08 pm »
Update - I replaced the circuit breaker and relay and its charging fine now. The old relay tested ok so I cleaned it up for a spare. The circuit breaker as predicted was toast.

Unfortunately, my house batteries were also toast. While charging, the voltage read 13.6 volts but dropped to about 12 volts soon after charging was discontinued. I considered converting to two 6 volt AGMs but in the end decided on a pair of Duracell 12 volt deep cycle group 31 AGMs. While removing the old batteries, the battery drawer slides fell apart. Given that the EZ-Glide drawer was only rated for 100 lbs. and a pair of group 31s weigh about 140 lbs., I'm not surprised. I replaced it with a MORryde SP60-041 Sliding Battery Tray which is rated for 150 lbs. It fit right in. My only concern was 4 pop rivets that protruded into the battery tray on each side that could potentially damage the batteries. I cut a couple of pieces of plastic trim to fit with drilled holes in way of the rivets. I cleaned up all of the connection and installed the new batteries in the tray. I set the dip switches on my Tripp-Lite inverter for AGMs and, knock on wood, my electrical problems appear resolved.
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