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Some wisdom please
« on: October 24, 2020, 08:32:50 am »
Hi, we have just ordered a 2021 2552 and while we are very excited - there is a 2019 2910-E that has us conflicted.  Can someone here speak to the V-8 VS the Triton V-10 and what the downside to the  2019 might be?  Thank you for any advice
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Re: Some wisdom please
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2020, 09:35:26 am »
We full time in a 2552 so I can't tell you specifics on the 2910 but I can tell you why we didn't buy it. The longer rigs with more windows REALLY called to me and I agonized over the choice for a long time. We wanted to stay under 30 feet so we fit in the older campgrounds (negligible, I know). We also worry about weight/payload. When I pressed him, Kermit estimated I'd lose about 1000 pounds of available payload by going with the extra slide. We only have 3000 in the 2552 and while that seems like a lot, it isn't. You have to count everything: fuel, water, propane, food, clothing, tools, dishes, and on and on - don't forget the people and pets. It adds up fast.

We are very happy with the 2552 and think we hit the "sweet spot" with livability, drive/handling and the all-important payload. But remember, everyone is different. You have to make a list of pros and cons to see what works for you.
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Re: Some wisdom please
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2020, 10:05:33 am »
Thank you so much for the weight comparable - we didn't think about that.  All information helps
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Re: Some wisdom please
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2020, 11:19:28 am »
The 2552 has a 206" wheelbase and a 27' 10" overall length.
The 2910D has a 220" wheelbase and 30' 10" overall length.

The front bumper is exactly the same distance from the front axle on both units.   That means while the 2910D has 14" longer wheelbase, that the rear of the 2910D is 22" further behind the rear axle.

That's almost 2' more overhang causing a few issues.   You must take wider turns because of the longer wheelbase and must take much greater care going in and out of driveways to avoid the rear end scraping or getting hung up.   Yes, both models have "skid wheels" on the hitch assembly to help prevent damage, but they aren't 100% effective and they are very noisy if they do hit the pavement.

Also, with almost 2 more feet of RV behind the rear wheels, there will be more weight on the rear axle and more "leverage" in a crosswind to push you to one side or the other.   They are both safe vehicles but your driving technique will be different between the two models.

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Re: Some wisdom please
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2020, 11:41:53 am »
I’m assuming the one you ordered has the new 7.3 Godzilla engine ?  Engine wise I would jump at the new engine over the v10.

Also if your ordering new you can avoid the mistake of 30 amp and only one AC as well as those dang decals and so on.
« Last Edit: October 24, 2020, 12:56:15 pm by Joseph »

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Re: Some wisdom please
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2020, 01:51:43 pm »
Good choice in 2552. I feel 2910 is limited on cargo capacity.

If someone is taller than 6 foot you may consider extending the chassis or eliminating pantry to extend drivers side bed by 6_12 inches. It is tight at 68 inches. Passenger side is 74 inches in any configuration. Two a/c is good suggestion. Search forum for other orders and see if they ordered things you may want, like additional outdoor lights...oh ya get full body paint. Shines greatly and easier to maintain.

PC may another model called a 2910 Twin or Custom. Was like 2910D with no rear slide and twins in rear instead of queen bed with slide. Gave better cargo capacity eliminating slide weight. Searching forum can give more info. Only few were made back around 2012 to 2016.  Personal favorite of mine.

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« Last Edit: October 24, 2020, 01:55:22 pm by Sarz272000 »

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Re: Some wisdom please
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2020, 04:34:03 pm »
The 3100 is the twin bed, rear bath model.  Only one slide out on driver's side front.   The current 2910T is like the 2910D with a 3rd slide out on front passenger side.
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Re: Some wisdom please
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2020, 08:13:28 pm »
An rv is like a Swiss army knife, but regardless of which one you choose, you will always end up compromising one thing for another. The challenge is anticipating  how you plan to use it and determining which is  best for you.

The E model would be a fantastic home away from home for  week long stays at  rv resorts,  all of which have on-site stores  and nearby eateries, so not being able to pack another 500 pounds of stuff isn't terribly bad.  But  backing into tight spaces surrounded by trees and boulders in the national parks could be really challenging.

For many people bigger is better, so  smaller spaces  are always easier to find during peak season if you didn't reserve months in advance.

IMHO the new engine is a  relatively minor evolution, but  probably more relevant to people shopping for  a new heavy duty  pickup.
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Re: Some wisdom please
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2020, 09:26:06 pm »
IMHO the new engine is a  relatively minor evolution, but  probably more relevant to people shopping for  a new heavy duty  pickup.

I just had this discussion with a lad who just purchased an F250 with the Godzilla engine.  His comments were very positive, but not pulling a heavy load.

My comments were about the reliability of the V10 vs. the new 7.3L now in the 2021 models. It apparently has very good low end torque and I'm sure better MPG.  But reliability in my mind is still a question.  Size seems to be smaller and thus a better fit.

I have seen the videos linked to before about comparisons and they seem favorable to the 7.3 Godzilla.

Who has experience with the new 7.3 Godzilla powerplant to add confidence in a new purchase vs a fairly new Phoenix Cruiser with the proven V10 Tritan engine?

« Last Edit: October 24, 2020, 09:28:59 pm by GA Steve »

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Re: Some wisdom please
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2020, 11:11:33 am »
Steve.  The 289 was a reliable engine as was the 302, the 390 and the 460 to name a few and I wouldn’t want any of them in one of my vehicles. A dead horse is still a dead horse, the v10 no matter how reliable is not coming back. A few years from now, very few, people looking at used RV will want the newer engine. It’s just the nature of the beast.  The engine is overbuilt, that much is already a known factor. I know the next Rv I buy will not have the v10. Keep a look at fast lane trucking. Also five star tune and see what they can pull out of this new engine. They over built it for a reason and I won’t be surprised if we see Ford bring our higher numbers in future years if this engine.
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Re: Some wisdom please
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2020, 02:28:44 pm »
I wish PC made a 2551/52 with a queen or two twins in the back, no slide back there. Mid-bath, I'd even take a wet bath, all waste tanks (and dump valves) as close to the rear axle as possible.  That would be ideal  to me.  Navion has a floor plan like this. I've been trying to figure if I could convert mine, wheel wells seem to be in the way.   Winning the lotto would be the only way I could afford a new one.
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Re: Some wisdom please
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2020, 04:44:40 pm »
2 Lucky

If we both win the lottery we can order one with twins in the back, no slide.  See pictures.  Seats were permanent mount after market.  You lose the large rear clothes cabinet.

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Re: Some wisdom please
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2020, 06:31:44 pm »
2lucky.. what’s the advantage to the beds being in the rear in the 2552?

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Re: Some wisdom please
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2020, 10:56:54 pm »
According to the PC brochures, the rear twin bed floor plan was called model 2950.  The last year it was offered was 2011.  It had one slide out that accommodated a couch (or dinette) and the fridge.

The pictures shared by sarz above has me confused because the kitchen is partially inside the slide out like a current-day 2910.

I personally like a rear bedroom with a walk-around queen bed in the middle without a slide out, a common floor plan in the old days before slide-outs became so popular.
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Re: Some wisdom please
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2020, 12:24:10 am »
According to the PC brochures, the rear twin bed floor plan was called model 2950.  The last year it was offered was 2011.  It had one slide out that accommodated a couch (or dinette) and the fridge.




https://losangeles.craigslist.org/ant/rvs/d/palmdale-2007-phoenix-cruiser-2950/7214474731.html




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