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Ron Dittmer

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Re: Maintenance to prevent leaks
« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2020, 12:33:59 pm »
Hi Joseph,

Regarding the issue with "vinyl surface disintegration".  My understanding has always been that the vinyl was made in the USA until after the great recession that started in 2008.  The manufactures of the vinyl material either outsourced the vinyl in finished rolls direct from China, or in the ingredients from China when making the vinyl in the USA.  In either case, to stay in business the vinyl suppliers sourced China to survive.  That is why companies like Phoenix are now going with real leather, solely to avoid future flaking vinyl.
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Re: Maintenance to prevent leaks
« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2020, 12:43:03 pm »
Quote from: Volkemon on October 05, 2020, 12:02:07 pm
There is another measuring stick....how a rig is holding up with age.  You and Volkemon are on the lower end of that scale.  In general, having a slide out is a contributing factor, though not in your case.
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Hi Volkemon,

I had recalled your PC had water damage around your slide out, but am obviously mistaken.  I must have you confused with someone else.  I am sorry for the mis-information to the community.

And yes, I am a "Slide-A-Phobic" guy.
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Re: Maintenance to prevent leaks
« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2020, 11:00:39 pm »
Ron, and it’s still going on with top brands. As far as leather goes I won’t hold my breath there as well. All leather is not equal. My ford leather is terrible, the leather in my Yukon and Escalade were nothing to talk about as well. The leather in my Lexus , Acura and BMW were outstanding.  So only time will tell with what they are using. I won’t hold my breath with this industry.
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Re: Maintenance to prevent leaks
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2020, 05:55:20 am »
Quote from: Joseph on October 05, 2020, 11:00:39 pm
Ron, and it’s still going on with top brands. As far as leather goes I won’t hold my breath there as well. All leather is not equal. My ford leather is terrible, the leather in my Yukon and Escalade were nothing to talk about as well. The leather in my Lexus , Acura and BMW were outstanding.  So only time will tell with what they are using. I won’t hold my breath with this industry.
Yes, I understand.

It is unfortunate the industry lost basic vinyl durability.  Maybe some "Green New Deal" thinking, environmental concerns messed up vinyl coverings.  It leaves us to wonder "What Else" has gone the way of garbage production.

At home, my 50 gallon water heater (with pilot light) is the original one installed when the house was built back in 1988.  I dread the day I have to replace it.  When it's time, maybe I should include quick connect fittings.   :'(  So many products have succumbed to the same "made cheaper" demise.
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Re: Maintenance to prevent leaks
« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2020, 10:57:27 am »
Ron, most but by far not all of the blame is in China with quality issues.  I’ve been there more times than I can count and in their factories. If your the US customer as an example and you want a 100,000 doohickeys built. They will ask you what quality you want. You want built top quality it’s this price per unit, you want middle quality it’s this price or low quality it’s this price. In the end the buyer chooses.

They have some state of the art factories and those that are far from it. And everything you decide will need to be tested to see to it that’s what your getting. If your the buyer you know that your driver speaks english even though he indicates otherwise and your room is bugged. It’s just the way of the land in a communist country.


We sold our countries soul for cheap goods. Now it’s coming back to bite us.
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Re: Maintenance to prevent leaks
« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2020, 06:12:28 pm »
Quote from: Ron Dittmer on October 05, 2020, 12:43:03 pm
Quote from: Volkemon on October 05, 2020, 12:02:07 pm
There is another measuring stick....how a rig is holding up with age.  You and Volkemon are on the lower end of that scale.  In general, having a slide out is a contributing factor, though not in your case.
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.......And my slide doesn't leak BTW....  (nod)
Hi Volkemon,

I had recalled your PC had water damage around your slide out, but am obviously mistaken.  I must have you confused with someone else.  I am sorry for the mis-information to the community.

And yes, I am a "Slide-A-Phobic" guy.


 (cheer) (cheer) (cheer)  NO worries. For all you have contributed to the PC community you are allowed much more than that in my book.  (cheer) (cheer) (cheer)    :)(:  I hope we laugh together.  :)(: 
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Re: Maintenance to prevent leaks
« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2020, 08:29:00 pm »
Quote from: Volkemon on October 06, 2020, 06:12:28 pm
Quote from: Ron Dittmer on October 05, 2020, 12:43:03 pm
Quote from: Volkemon on October 05, 2020, 12:02:07 pm
There is another measuring stick....how a rig is holding up with age.  You and Volkemon are on the lower end of that scale.  In general, having a slide out is a contributing factor, though not in your case.
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 roflol  OK!  BINGO!   Slides condemned by Ron,   that was the last square I needed for this sheet of Forum Bingo!    roflol

.......And my slide doesn't leak BTW....  (nod)
Hi Volkemon,

I had recalled your PC had water damage around your slide out, but am obviously mistaken.  I must have you confused with someone else.  I am sorry for the mis-information to the community.

And yes, I am a "Slide-A-Phobic" guy.


 (cheer) (cheer) (cheer)  NO worries. For all you have contributed to the PC community you are allowed much more than that in my book.  (cheer) (cheer) (cheer)    :)(:  I hope we laugh together.  :)(:
And :)(: to you my internet friend.
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Re: Maintenance to prevent leaks
« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2020, 12:17:50 pm »
Hello
I was wondering if anyone one else had issues with leaking windows? The window over my sink would leak occasionally when the rain was really whipping around.  Yesterday I finally got around to figuring out why it leaked.  I pulled the inner trim ring off and hosed it down to see if the leak was coming from the mounting gasket but it wasn't. Further investigation revealed that the opening section of the window was leaking by at the edges and running water into the camper.  I drilled out the rivets holding the actuator and removed the opening section  of the window.  I found that where the window was glued into the mounting lip was not sealed up at the ends.  This allowed water to enter past the foam window gasket and run into the inner aluminum lip between the window and screen.  It then leaked out at the actuator and ran onto the counter. Sealed up the ends and no more leaks. One more problem solved...
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Re: Maintenance to prevent leaks
« Reply #38 on: October 07, 2020, 03:12:37 pm »
I guess there is some advantage to living where it (almost) never rains....
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Re: Maintenance to prevent leaks
« Reply #39 on: October 11, 2020, 01:25:09 pm »
Found those same vertical joint leaks in my 2004 2550. Looks like the design didn't change. The previous owner finally noticed the leaks when the fabric on the wall panels covering the transition piece showed water stains. Lots of severe damage to floor. It's a problem because there's no way to inspect the joint with the wall panels in place. It's also a problem since the caulk under the exterior vertical trim is the only thing stopping the water from leaking in. I caulked both inside and outside while I had the pieces removed. Linked photos show the damaged wall panels and the vertical joint with the caulk removed.

https://imgur.com/a/gG21tKj

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Re: Maintenance to prevent leaks
« Reply #40 on: October 12, 2020, 11:11:42 am »
See more photos here:  https://forum.phoenixusarv.com/index.php?topic=3628.45

This is another area that needs attention if yours is built like mine.  When I'm done with the repairs, it will be for sale and will be the tightest PC on the market....
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Re: Maintenance to prevent leaks
« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2020, 11:33:58 am »
Will, I think your making the smartest move by selling. Once the issues cause an abscess to the owner no matter how great it is after repairs it’s always a sore spot. I’ve more than once hung on to something longer than I should have and all it did was cause me stress. I totally understand your feeling of wanting it gone.

I hope that what ever you replace it with gives you years of good service. 
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Re: Maintenance to prevent leaks
« Reply #42 on: October 12, 2020, 11:48:50 am »
Thanks.  Problem is, everything will be fixed, and fixed right, by the time its for sale.....  Unfortunately, the big issues cause all the little expected issues to be a problem too.

And I'm not sure there is anything better out there.  We will be in Florida in November and plan to go look at a Couch House.  Not sure they are any better.
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Re: Maintenance to prevent leaks
« Reply #43 on: November 02, 2020, 09:30:23 am »
Here are some photos of the interior repairs.  It is now better than new, really.  Ill post leak prevention solutions when I get pics.

We replaced the rotted wood with foam
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Re: Maintenance to prevent leaks
« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2020, 09:31:53 am »
New subfloor and you can see steel plate installed to support generator.  It sagged since new, mostly because there was little supporting it.....
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