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Feedback on new 7.3 Godzilla?
« on: August 05, 2020, 08:46:23 am »
Earlier this year, before the pandemic, I spoke with PC about the new 7.3 "Godzilla" and when it would be introduced in the lineup.  I know the factory was closed for a while but by now I'd expect new units going out the door have it.  If you have a PC with the 7.3 please take a moment to share your feedback.  Very interested in hearing and thanks in advance!
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Re: Feedback on new 7.3 Godzilla?
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2020, 09:41:53 am »
I read somewhere, the engine is not the only change.  The chassis increased it's load carrying capacity.  Hopefully it's in the rear where needed most.

It is ideal to wait at least one model year on the release of a brand new engine.  Ford will learn a lot on the assembly line and also from all the warranty work from so much customer use.  It takes time to gather the enough examples of the problem, evaluate it and come up with a solution, then implement it on the assembly line.  One infamous example with the V10 engine we all have in our PCs, is how long it took for Ford to add more threads for the spark plugs (from 4 threads to 8) so they don't self-eject.  The V10 2-valve engine in the E-series was introduced in 1997 with the solution implemented in 2003 or 2004.  The same thing applies to the rest of the chassis.  Waiting 6 years is silly, but hold out as long as you can to get a better product.
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Re: Feedback on new 7.3 Godzilla?
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2020, 08:22:54 am »
 I tried to get an answer on which engine will be used by PC but no reply. One of the options is a highly reduced output which is cheaper but not what I’d want.  The engine is already out there racking up miles.  If I was in the market for a new rig I wouldn’t hesitate to go with this new engine. Yes the V 10 had a rough start but that’s one engine. There’s been engine after engine designed from ford and others with no problems. One thing that really appeals to me is how soon the high torque quicks in.

Again though they have a reduced power engine that’s cheaper and my fear is that’s what class c builders might opt for to save a couple grand.

Ron mentioned other changes and I understand they made some serious changes to the F53 chassis but I haven’t seen anywhere that they have on the E chassis 
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Re: Feedback on new 7.3 Godzilla?
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2020, 05:47:28 pm »
I was at the factory 2 weeks ago and the new units had the 7.3 engine, not sure how many went out the door so far.
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Re: Feedback on new 7.3 Godzilla?
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2020, 06:56:40 pm »
  When we bought our 2019 3100 at the factory in March we were told about the impending change in the 2020 and later units. We experienced the problems with the new V10 in the early 2000's and did not want to be guinea pigs again. So we opted for the well-seasoned V10.

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Re: Feedback on new 7.3 Godzilla?
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2020, 11:51:06 am »
All good points guys....the new chassis/engine is being used throughout the RV world.  When a change like this is made on something so important as the foundation of the RV I cannot understand why dealers (including PC) are not talking more about this.  Things were stagnant for a long time with the old platform.  It was getting long in the tooth.  It was overdue for a change.  I searched YouTube and found just 1 video by an RV dealer which focused on this topic.  It would be nice to see the marketing team at PC do a piece on this. 
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Re: Feedback on new 7.3 Godzilla?
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2020, 05:40:23 pm »
5 years from now, we will all be saying "Wow, it would be nice to have a new rig to get the latest technology."  But year #1, #2, and #3 might have some gremlins to improve upon in subsequent years, hopefully none serious.  In the case with the V10 when it first came out, even with it's gremlins, it was better than the previous power train which was fuel thirsty and an exhaust manifold leaker.  But for the past 16 years, the V10 has been so bullet-proof that it is a hard act to follow.  Hopefully Ford will have applied all their historical push-rod and fuel injection knowledge, and have come up with a winner from the get-go.  If it has significant issues, it will be a very sad situation for the RV and box truck industries as well as the future of the E-series cut-away chassis.  A lot is riding on this change in power plants, in every vehicle used in.
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Re: Feedback on new 7.3 Godzilla?
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2020, 06:14:07 pm »
Engineerit.     Did they say which 7.3 ?   There are several versions including one that’s really detuned but about 3 grand cheaper.   My fear is some builders will use that lesser powered unit to save money.  The econo tune has 300 hp and 425 torque vs 350 and about 468 I believe
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Re: Feedback on new 7.3 Godzilla?
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2020, 07:18:16 pm »
If I was buying new I would not want a left over with the V10.  That’s now a dead horse.  I would really like that new engine.  Over400torque at 1500 rpm. I wouldn’t worry about gremlins.  One, it’s already out there in the pickups with no issues I’ve found and second that’s what a warranty is for.

If I’m looking for a new for me rig in say 5 years I know I won’t be looking for one with the v10 even though it will be selling for less.
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Re: Feedback on new 7.3 Godzilla?
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2020, 10:39:04 am »
Quote from: Joseph on August 10, 2020, 07:18:16 pm
If I’m looking for a new for me rig in say 5 years I know I won’t be looking for one with the V10 even though it will be selling for less.
History of the early years of the 7.3L will surely be influential.  If it has a clean uneventful introduction, I would too.
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Re: Feedback on new 7.3 Godzilla?
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2020, 11:37:35 am »
Ron , one has to consider that problems or not, no builder would say nope going back to the old engine. Ford is moving forward without the v10, it’s done and after a year or two used rigs with the v10 will take a hit in value. For people like you or me it doesn’t matter. You keep yours for many years and I drive mine till it’s not going to have a huge resale anyway.
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Re: Feedback on new 7.3 Godzilla?
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2020, 11:35:36 pm »
Quote from: Joseph on August 11, 2020, 11:37:35 am
Ford is moving forward without the v10, it’s done and after a year or two used rigs with the v10 will take a hit in value. For people like you or me it doesn’t matter. You keep yours for many years and I drive mine till it’s not going to have a huge resale anyway.
I agree with you.  With every new generation, the previous gen looses value.  You and I really don't care much about "value".  That is until there is a serious insurance claim to be made.  But the engine inside won't matter for that.  It's all about the age and miles with some consideration to "condition".
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Re: Feedback on new 7.3 Godzilla?
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2020, 11:43:54 pm »
Okay, it's been entertaining to sit around the virtual campfire and speculate how the new 7.3 Godzilla is in a new PC.  I guess I should have been a little more careful about the title.  It should have read "If you are an owner of a new PC with the 7.3 please please share your feedback with the forum so we can all stop guessing.
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Re: Feedback on new 7.3 Godzilla?
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2020, 07:30:01 am »
Here is some input. Having parts problems.  This is rampant in all areas due to Covid-19.  Not a good time to buy new anything, in my opinion. 

https://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/f3/7-3-liter-gas-engine-78354.html

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Re: Feedback on new 7.3 Godzilla?
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2020, 09:12:36 am »
Hmmmm makes me wonder what’s different. I read as many truck forums as I can find and this is the first. Almost makes me wonder if it’s a E series issue. Parts related is going to be an issue for anything that’s not readily in stock for a while
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