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Ford E450 dash power ponts blow fuses
« on: March 04, 2020, 07:42:32 am »
I picked up my new 2552 from the factory on 2/17/20.  When I plugged my Garmin GPS power plug into the power point it blew the fuse in the Garmin charger cord.  It also blew the fused in phone chargers.  I had the guys at the factory trouble shoot this problem but they couldn't solve it.  The fuses in the truck are good and the power points are reading just over 12 V with a multi-meter.

At the factory the guys changed the fuse in the Garmin about 3 times and it blew 3 times.  They suggested getting a new power cord.  I did and verified that it worked in my car just fine.  As soon as I plugged it into the power point on the truck dash, it blew the fuse.  This problem is with all the power ports, the two on the dash and one in the glove compartment.

I assume this will be covered by the Ford warranty but you know what a hassle that can be.  Any suggestions?

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Re: Ford E450 dash power ponts blow fuses
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2020, 08:29:57 am »
Take it to Ford.   That is a serious problem.  Actually... I would have had Phoenix or Campers Inn do it.

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Re: Ford E450 dash power ponts blow fuses
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2020, 09:02:04 am »
JLeTempt - We had a the same issue when picking up our 2018 2552. The fuse in the Garmin power cord and the Ford chassis 20A fuse blew every time the Garmin was plugged in. After trouble shooting the Ford manual to no avail and destroying 5 fuses, the tech got out his 12V test light. I noticed that the grounded probe illuminated when it inadvertently contacted the housing as it was removed from the socket. Knowing that the lite should not have lit, the dash panel was removed to find the wires crossed on the back of the 12V outlet. The wires were crossed during reassembly of the dash panel removed during the radio installation.
The service was great they took us in immediately and assigned a few guys to help find the problem. Hope this helps. - Dick

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Re: Ford E450 dash power ponts blow fuses
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2020, 10:10:20 am »
The nearest campers inn is about 150 miles away.  The guys that built it couldn't resolve the problem.  For RVCamping; what tech are you talking about?  Campers Inn, Ford, Other?

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Re: Ford E450 dash power ponts blow fuses
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2020, 11:02:15 am »
JLeTempt - We had a the same issue when picking up our 2018 2552. The fuse in the Garmin power cord and the Ford chassis 20A fuse blew every time the Garmin was plugged in. After trouble shooting the Ford manual to no avail and destroying 5 fuses, the tech got out his 12V test light. I noticed that the grounded probe illuminated when it inadvertently contacted the housing as it was removed from the socket. Knowing that the lite should not have lit, the dash panel was removed to find the wires crossed on the back of the 12V outlet. The wires were crossed during reassembly of the dash panel removed during the radio installation.
The service was great they took us in immediately and assigned a few guys to help find the problem. Hope this helps. - Dick
That is what came to mind when reading the initial post.

Remove the 12V outet and see if the red or yellow or other colored (hot/power) wire is attached to the center connection point inside the outlet.
 The black (or white) ground connection should be attached to the outer ring of the 12V outlet.

I seems that someone who worked on the chassis after it left the Ford factory, accidentally switched the power and ground connections.  It is easy mistake to make.

12V outlets are generally fairly easy to pop out, but I admit I am not familiar with the E-series dash board design that was introduced in the 2009 model year.  You might have to remove the panel that holds it.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2020, 11:07:27 am by Ron Dittmer »
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Re: Ford E450 dash power ponts blow fuses
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2020, 11:05:35 am »
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Thats some good help there. I have been racking my brain to figure out how to re-create that problem, and you had the solution. Both the phone and Garmin chargers are polarity sensitive, and would blow their fuses under this condition. 

An old analog meter would show this miswire problem quickly, but I could see someone with a DMM not noticing / ignoring the reverse polarity indicator and just reading the voltage.  (Why would they ignore the polarity indicator? I have many meters, and many probes for them. Often there might be 2 black or two red on the meter, depending on the ends I need.  So... often I will have the + probe on the - side, but dont care, the voltage reading is all I am looking for. I could see myself checking the power outlet, finding correct voltage, and not pursuing the polarity of the socket....  :-[ )


@JLeTempt - Dick said it was " when picking up our 2018 2552" so either PC factory or was it Campers Inn by then? Dunno.

If you have the ability to verify that indeed that is the problem (miswired power points from radio install) , you might have a little 'pull' with PC to make this a warranty issue that can be resolved locally with a mechanic. If it is as Dick says, its an assembly error from PC. They may pay for the local Ford dealer to fix it, HOPEFULLY saving you hours of driving.  I know thats a bunch of "If's" and "maybe's" but well worth pursuing.
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Re: Ford E450 dash power ponts blow fuses
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2020, 11:26:50 am »
Thanks for the help.  My biggest issue is the 3 words I fear most: "Some assembly required."  I would like to try and fix it myself

I was however, a couple of days ago, to recalibrate the 50 Amp surge protector that kept tripping.  Incoming voltage was 128 to 129 and occasionally peaking at 130.  The surge protector was reading it as 133!   With the help of Progressive industries the recalibration fixed the problem,

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Re: Ford E450 dash power ponts blow fuses
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2020, 03:54:21 pm »
I don't believe in the newer PC's you can reverse the ground and positive wires to the power points as they are using a indexed plug, and the wiring harness is pre-built on its own line by Ford...
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Re: Ford E450 dash power ponts blow fuses
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2020, 02:22:49 pm »
Well the polarity was reversed.  The harness was plug and play but when they reassembled the dash the wire pins were reversed for both power ports in the dash.  $125 - Phoenix is supposed to send me a check.

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Re: Ford E450 dash power ponts blow fuses
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2020, 08:36:00 am »
Well the polarity was reversed.  The harness was plug and play but when they reassembled the dash the wire pins were reversed for both power ports in the dash.  $125 - Phoenix is supposed to send me a check.



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Re: Ford E450 dash power ponts blow fuses
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2020, 08:49:42 am »
Sorry for the late reply but we have been out of town. Our fuse issue occurred while picking up the unit from the factory. We had stayed overnight at the local campground to test all systems. We took it back the next day and the fuse blowing was the only malfunction of the coach. The service we received and work by the factory techs was first rate.
The 12V connection is polarity indexed by the wiring harness plastic connector and the terminals in that connector needed to be switched before it was reinstalled on the back of the 12V outlet. That lead us to believe that it was delivered this way from the Ford factory, but the PC factory does remove the dash panel to access the radio installation. It does seem unlikely that anyone would remove the terminals from the plastic connector unless they got pulled out by the force of removing the dash panel. Either way it was an easy fix and we did not care who or where the the problem occurred as long as it was handled in the method described above.