Sanicon issue

I'm having an issue with the sanicon system.  I rarely can park so that the hose is right next to the dump.  Usually the hose is stretched out somewhat.  I can't keep the my foot on the end in the hole and turn on the pump at the same time.  When the pump is turns on - the hose pops right out.  I've tried "screwing" it in - doesn't work.  I have a rubber donut type thing, but it is too big for the 4" pipe is some places.  (Must be made for a 5" pipe?).  So do I have to carry a sandbag around with me?  A few bricks?  Is anyone else having this problem?

Peg

I have always just screwed it in, never had a problem.  But yea, a small sandbag type thing should be fine.  Even a brick should work.

When the pump is turns on - the hose pops right out.

I did find the same, and the first time I got the FOUNTAIN turning on the switch,    NEVER again.  I made the pump removable, and carry 30' of stinky slinky. I use the hose 99% of the time now...

But to weight it down per your idea, consider water filled weights.

https://www.amazon.com/Anavim-Canopy-Water-Weights-2pcs-Pack/dp/B077GCRT67


Hold 10 liters, so both would weigh 20Kg or ~45 pounds filled. Similar to a sandbag! However, empty they only weigh 1.5 pounds. They even have the round guides for tent legs for the hose. 



edit to add quote.

Good idea!  Thanks for the link.  I think I'll order those water bags.

Peg

And maybe this goes without saying, but it took me a season to figure it out, take the adapter off the sanicon handheld so it is NOT squirting through the 3/4" hole.  This is a lot easier on the sanicon hose, and far less pressure to cause it to pop (or is it poop) off.

And take someone with a spare foot with you all the time.

I see you are in Brooksville FL.  We always come down in Feb/mar to ride the Dixie Dual sport motorcycle event.  I spent about a week in your hospital when my gallbladder decided to quit on me one year.....

And maybe this goes without saying, but it took me a season to figure it out, take the adapter off the sanicon handheld so it is NOT squirting through the 3/4" hole.  This is a lot easier on the sanicon hose, and far less pressure to cause it to pop (or is it poop) off.

And take someone with a spare foot with you all the time.

Wow!   I would not have thought someone would try it that way! Perhaps that may be TzrNPeg's (and others) issue!

Quote from: WillLloyd on February 04, 2020, 08:48:09 am

And maybe this goes without saying, but it took me a season to figure it out, take the adapter off the sanicon handheld so it is NOT squirting through the 3/4" hole.  This is a lot easier on the sanicon hose, and far less pressure to cause it to pop (or is it poop) off.

And take someone with a spare foot with you all the time.

Wow!   I would not have thought someone would try it that way! Perhaps that may be TzrNPeg's (and others) issue!

The 'adapter' on the handheld end on my old sanicon-  Are you referring to the part with the stepped pipe threads on it? 3/4 cap on the bottom? (Found an image on google, below)

  When there are threads on the port where we park, its not a problem. Things hold well. Its when we had to rely on the friction fit because the port we have to plug into is smooth pipe.

The 'stinky slinky' 90* 'termination' end has a smooth area after that fits (so far...) far and tight enough to hold to the ground port, even with slight hose tension when emptying. The bottom part of this fitting:



This is really close to what I have, and notice the lack of a significant protuberance on the end. (I am not sure if mine has even this much, I am far from mine at the moment.) This makes for a poor fit that pops out when using a port with no threads on it when the sanicon starts a pumpin'. 



There is a 3/4 cap on the bottom of this to adapt to garden hose. I DO remove that, of course. well...now... 

 FULL DISCLOSURE-    first time using it I did NOT take the 3/4 cap off, and with the adapter in the ground I was quite puzzled as to why nothing was pumping, and with that cap hidden (it was already screwed to the ground port....couldnt see it..  ) it took a while for me to have the 'AH HA!' moment and solve things. I am VERY lucky a loose joint somewhere else didnt pop off with 'loose fire hose' type results..



 Maybe I am missing another piece that can be taken out... will look. But even then, it seems there is not enough to 'friction fit' and hold in the ground port with a slip fit. The 'General Store' at the park had a flexible 'donut' that was supposed to seal and hold the hose end, but it did nothing.

They also had a 'Sewer Pig' for ~$35, but it didnt fit  over the height of my sanicon adapter. Would work great on the 3" 90* adapter I have now, but so far I have had no 'slip outs' with that.



We have not been to that many (less than 10) places with full hookup, and one we frequent twice a year has no threads on their ports. So maybe this is a very isolated problem.


But if I am not removing a piece I should be  (and not understanding what ""take the adapter off the sanicon handheld so it is NOT squirting through the 3/4" hole"" means    )  I am MORE than willing to be educated. PLEASE! 

I HAD to look up the pig. It is simply a weight to hold the hose in the hole. Add water to pig at camp, set over the hose, dump pig and store light weight pig for travel. Beats risking dropping a rock down the sewer line but you do have to store it.

If I did this right, I have attached a photo of our nozzle.  I didn't realize there are different versions of the sanicon nozzle.  In the photo, the black cap screws off of ours.  Then the discharge is through a 3" hole, not the 3/4" hose connection.  This reduces the pressure in the sanicon hose by approximately 1200 PSI when the pump is running, and the hose does not stretch to 29 times its original length....  (Some exaggeration provided for clarity.)

We also dont leave the hose connected to the campground dump connection even when we have full hookups.  We fill the tanks, then dump when needed.  I feel this helps clean things out better, and you only need a spare foot not a pig.

I have had two rigs with these pump systems and installed one of these on both of them right at the end of the hose and ahead of what ever kind of head you have that goes into the hole.   Keep this one shut, turn on the pump, put the hose in the hole and then open the valve while keeping your foot there to hold the discharge in and going down the hole.    Since the pump will only be under restricted pressure a few seconds it has never hurt one.    In fourteen years of using these systems I have never had a problem with one of the pumps.   

https://www.lowes.com/pd/AMERICAN-VALVE-PVC-SCH-40-1-in-FNPT-Ball-Valve/1000267957

Home! Yes indeed, pictures rock. Its a shame the site is so unfriendly for pics.

Here is what we got with ours, maybe RonD can verify if it is correct for the 'George W Bush' era PC's.    Might have been a replacement. 



As I remembered, there is not much for slip in. And the angle of the hose makes bracing difficult. SO...... the 3" hose is the preferred method for some time. The sanicon setup fits in the spare, and (2) 15' hoses occupy where the sanicon hose was before. Mrs V found some premium hose that collapses and stays small.GREAT stuff .

We also follow WillLloyd's (and others) method of dumping the black tank when full to ensure good flow, but leave the grey open to ensure loooooong showers dont end up with yours truly outside opening tanks to balance capacity. Or wishing for inside switches. But the sanicon has been the hero more than once, so it comes along too.

Here is what we got with our 2006.  Maybe Ron Dittmer can verify if it is correct for the 'George W Bush' era PC's.

Volkemon, I believe a previous owner replaced your end.

Our 2007 sanicon end cap is the original supplied in 2007.  It is similar to, but not identical to anything pictured in earlier replies.  The end of ours is a hard black plastic with threads for different sewer sizes like others have, but it has a tiny green screw-on end cap at the end of a funnel shape.

In all my years owning our PC, I never took a picture of our sanicon compartment.  I would take a picture now but I'd have to hook up the battery and back the rig out in the snow.

Took mine out along with the electric valves and just use the standard manual pull valves and sewer hoses.

I had trouble with the electric valves and decided the system just wasn't worth anymore problems. It's just too easy to hook up the hose and pull the valve.
I've never regretted making the change. Gravity draining works just as fast as the pump.

I made a storage tube for a long sewer hose within the sanicon compartment. And I have a short 4' hose for the dumps I have to make at a dump station.

Thanks for all the replies.  I do take off the little cap that is meant for a hose attachment.  However, I'm rarely close enough to put my foot on the part that goes into the sewer pipe and it won't screw in, so....  the pump causes the end to pop out of the pipe.  I like the suggestion of the ball valve.  I'll have to ask my husband to do "one more thing" to the almost new RV.  LOL.