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Re: Automatic Entry Step
« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2021, 02:44:54 pm »
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Interesting reading.  My steps have their own mind also.  I also my steps will not stay out when I use the switch by the door.  Very annoying to have them go in and out every time the door opens and closes.

Make sure the little switch to the left of your steering wheel that connects the 3 batteries is off. If this switch is on or your ignition key is on the step will not remain out when the switch is on near the door.
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Re: Automatic Entry Step
« Reply #46 on: April 27, 2021, 08:56:41 am »
My first post to this forum  I haven't had my PC long but I do have a problem like BANGOBOB in that the steps won't stay out when the step switch is thown.
 Mine is a Kwikee with a date code of 6J17.  According to the manual and wiring diagram shown on Figure 10 there needs to be 12 volt enegized to the white wire of the control unit in order for this option to work.  I suspect a blown fuse some where.  Does anyone know if the is an inline fuze hidden or would this circuit be terminated on fuse panel.  So far I haven't found the fuse. My failing eye sight doesn't help.  Does any one out there know which fuze location I should check.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Automatic Entry Step
« Reply #47 on: April 27, 2021, 04:38:39 pm »
I have no idea if there is more than one fuse and there are much smarter minds than mine here that may know. There is one 20 amp in line behind the kick panel drivers side that I know of. That aside if that fuse is blown the steps are stopped in what ever position they are in when it blows. I have a toggle switch on mine for that purpose but to lock it in not out. That being said if I throw the toggle with the steps out that’s where they stay.  So it nay be a work around for your issue but it’s not a direct fix.  I wonder in your situation if it’s possible that the switch at the entry for this purpose is bad or if a wire has come disconnected.

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Re: Automatic Entry Step
« Reply #48 on: April 27, 2021, 05:19:17 pm »
Joseph
  I checked the step swith with OHM meter and it is good.
I checked the function by using alternate 12 volt supply to white wire at the swith and the unit works as it should.  So problem is the 12 volt supply to the step switch.  I just don't know where the fault is located  I will try again in the morning with fresh eyes to look for blown fuse.  Thanks for the info on the 20 amp fuse but per manual I should find a 5 amp fuse for this circuit

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Re: Automatic Entry Step
« Reply #49 on: April 27, 2021, 06:24:14 pm »
So who’s feeling ambitious?
These are 12v photoelectric switches. Try attaching one to the door frame out of harms way. Wire it to the manual override switch or run the wires from a hole below. Then make a blocking fin that sticks on the door to break the light beam in the slot when the door is closed. No more flakey pogo switch  (nod)

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Re: Automatic Entry Step
« Reply #50 on: April 27, 2021, 10:31:59 pm »
Well it’s been a year since I installed the toggle.  My mind says it was 20 amp , I could be wrong (my memory confuses different projects at times) and I’ll check the next time I go to the motorhome. It is at the kick panel for certain.

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Re: Automatic Entry Step
« Reply #51 on: June 29, 2021, 05:22:56 pm »
Joseph
  I checked the step swith with OHM meter and it is good.
I checked the function by using alternate 12 volt supply to white wire at the swith and the unit works as it should.  So problem is the 12 volt supply to the step switch.  I just don't know where the fault is located  I will try again in the morning with fresh eyes to look for blown fuse.  Thanks for the info on the 20 amp fuse but per manual I should find a 5 amp fuse for this circuit

Patrick,  Did you get your problem fixed?  If so, how.  I have no power to the white wire at the switch by the door. 

Thanks, Bob

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Re: Automatic Entry Step
« Reply #52 on: June 29, 2021, 08:50:00 pm »
We’re on the road now and having that toggle switch to cut power to the step has been a great investment. Having that step going in and out adds stress to the drive.



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Re: Automatic Entry Step
« Reply #53 on: June 30, 2021, 11:07:00 am »
Joseph,  Thanks for the reply.  I understand the toggle switch at the beginning of the electric run.  I've read through this a couple times.  Patrick came up with the same problem I have-no power to the white wire going to the switch by the door.  My plunger switch works fine.  I was hoping he found either the reason why no power OR a work around at the entrance door switch.

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Re: Automatic Entry Step
« Reply #54 on: July 05, 2021, 02:46:54 pm »
Finally fixed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I started tracing the red wire back to the fuse box.  All the fuses looked good on the red wires.   Got mad and pull the side panel off and started looking at inline fuses.  The only fuse that was blown was a BLUE wire NOT RED.  Changed the fuse and now me step stays out when door is closed.  A couple pics attached. 
Hope this may help someone. 

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Re: Automatic Entry Step
« Reply #55 on: July 06, 2021, 09:59:55 am »
Good news. And if not now eventually someone else will run into this issue and find your fix!

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Re: Automatic Entry Step
« Reply #56 on: July 06, 2021, 10:19:03 am »
Not quite sure why mfgs start with 1 color wire and change maybe 2-3 times by the end of the run.  Anyway, I hope current and future people will find this site useful.   I sure have.  Again, thanks to all.

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Re: Automatic Entry Step
« Reply #57 on: July 06, 2021, 01:37:31 pm »
It would be nice if Phoenix USA would make the wiring and plumbing  diagrams available to owners, either online or by request. It’s not some secret sauce IP.
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Re: Automatic Entry Step
« Reply #58 on: July 06, 2021, 03:46:51 pm »
That would be way to easy, plus it take away the fun that some of us have trying to figure out what they did at the factory.  But I do agree.  Winnebago puts stuff on line.