New pricing???

Somebody please tell me I’m wrong... did the on line pricing sheet, was interested in a 3100. Vinyl flooring ? Surely not..  what I could of bought from Earl this past March at FMC rally $127k is now $145k.. LS went from 10k to over 14k.

That sounds about right.  They announced a 15% price increase.  No idea how much of that is from Ford and how much is Phoenix. 

Just as additional info, many of the suppliers where I work have announced 15 to 30% increases due to rise in cost of imported materials such as steel, plastic, pipe, wire and lumber.  So this is not a Phoenix only increase.  One of our wire suppliers simply stated price will be adjusted per order at day of delivery, no contracts, no bids.

Thanks... did they go vinyl flooring, instead of wood laminate?

As best as I can remember the vinyl has always been standard with wood laminate an upgrade.  But my memory may be fallible on that.

Thanks

Vinyl floor is new this year per PC salesperson. Claims to be waterproof. I would assume wood still available upon request. New floor saves about 100# of weight which is great.

I priced one out too. I was also shocked. The discount was only 20% compared to 26% before.  Seems like you could negotiate with them. The salesperson said they are on commission so that means "let's talk" to me.

The 2552 I priced was $125k. Yikes. RV industry may be in trouble.

Ron

I'm sure recent tariffs you've read about have some effect.  Just sayin'. . .

I'm sure recent tariffs you've read about have some effect.  Just sayin'. . .

True that. 

Tariffs were the the givin reason my local metal supplier is now charging $10/foot       for square aluminum tubing, 2x2 inch, 1/8 thick wall.

I just used 70 linear feet to brace up the ceiling for my 'Phoenix Carrier' trailer. I had ~65 feet on hand, and just about went into shock when I was quoted $70 for the last 7 foot piece I needed. That was a 'cash-no slip needed' price too...    My last 'foggy memory' of a price on it was about $3/foot a few years ago.


Many, many, feet of that tubing in a completed cruiser.

So the 20% tariff increase on incoming material translates to a 225% increase in the purchase price for aluminum tubing and such.  That sounds about right.....absolutely ridiculous but is the way of business.

It reminds me of what happens with gasoline.  The price of crude oil increases a fraction, and the price at the pump increases exponentially within hours.  The gas still inside the under ground tanks at the gas station suddenly costs more.  But when the price of oil decreases a fraction, it takes weeks for the prices to slowly decrease.

I worked at Motorola Solutions for nearly 40 years, designing two-way radios there for the past 11 years.  It bothered me how adding $1 in better material translated to "X" times more for the product.  I did my best to design circuit boards using the least amount of copper wiring layers, but I could have designed a much better board for a few dollars more.

That is the difference in how a privately owned company operates versus a stock-held corporation.

I've noticed Class A units that were retailing for around $150000 are now up to $170000+ with little or now changes.

If you want a shock take a look at the price of extension cords.  I was going to grab another good one to carry in the coach but the sticker shock made me put it very carefully back on the shelf.  And not RV cords, just a regular 15 amp cord.

The price increases are not strictly due to the current tariff increases but also to uncertainty.  Because much of our material comes from overseas there is a significant time delay between order and delivery.  Two of our suppliers have told us they cannot get accurate pricing from their suppliers overseas because no one is willing to quote them on something 2 or 3 months out.

I've also been told that the price increases here in the states are not only because of price increases but because some of their suppliers are refusing to accept orders at any price.  So everyone is scrambling to find either local suppliers or alternative (read: much more expensive) sources.

Well, the good news is this should work its way into the used RV market in not too long a time period.  The spread between "new" and "used" has just gotten larger and that can only be positive for good, clean, well maintained Phoenix Cruisers.   Of course, that is really only important if you are getting out of the RV owning lifestyle, trading for an older unit than you now have, trading for a trailer and so on.  Interest rates have also risen enough to increase the amortization of a loan noticeably higher than one eighteen months ago.   That is going to also have a negative impact on buyers eventually.   

Given the massive number of Boomer's hitting retirement age that is creating a good demand plus, as we all know, a lot of younger families are really getting into rving. 

Paul

Hadn't the  price increase already occured prior to the 10% tariff on aluminum and  25% tariff on steel? Just sayin'.

https://forum.phoenixusarv.com/index.php?topic=3083.0

Tariffs were announced publicly on March 8th. Not sure exactly when the PC increase was announced.  But I would suspect most importers well aware of the potential increases well before the public announcement.