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Build a PC is Back.....but

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Re: Build a PC is Back.....but
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2018, 06:48:58 pm »
We HOPE to pick up our 2552 on April 16.  Two noticeable options are the addition of a spare tire and the lack of a slide-out.  If your timing is good, you should be able to see what the optional spare tire looks like. 

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Re: Build a PC is Back.....but
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2018, 08:38:58 pm »
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No spare tire is just stupid, no other way to put it.
Not sure I agree with that.  I'm not going to change a tire even if I had one, that's what AAA is for. 

And in 45 years of driving I have had one flat tire.  So the odds seem quite good to me.  I don't miss it and the extra storage space is welcome.

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Re: Build a PC is Back.....but
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2018, 09:37:56 pm »
Class a tires are much larger than those on a PC, so it's logical to not have a spare and rely on road service.  I recently experienced tire going flat (screw puncture) on long, deserted I-10 in west Texas.  Would have taken hours for road service to respond - hot, windy, dusty ...).  Having a spare was a blessing, and I will not ever be withought a spare.  Good luck to those without one.

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Re: Build a PC is Back.....but
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2018, 10:52:52 pm »
 No tire makes zero sense!
It is a matter of personal choice, there is an element of risk in almost everything we do. I have owned and driven rv’s, sports cars, classic cars, hot rods and towed trailers that did not have a spare. None of the 13 motorcycles that I owned had spare tires.  My current RV does have a spare and I do prefer that. I like the look and feel of leather and find it is much easier to vacuum pet hair off of leather than fabric. It is a matter of preference, priorities, and economics; that is why we options.
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Re: Build a PC is Back.....but
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2018, 11:18:18 pm »
The trend these days is providing NO spare tire.  It has gotten very popular with regular cars & SUVs.  They instead provide a Fix-A-Flat Slime kit of which a motor home is surely not the right application for that.  The next best RV thing would be to carry a real tire repair kit where you can repair the right type of puncture in a tire on the RV by pulling out the nail and inserting a rope/plug, then fill with air and get to the nearest tire repair center.

I am glad to be carrying a spare tire on our PC and glad not to have used it.  Now watch me get a flat after saying that last comment.
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« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2018, 11:59:39 pm »
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The next best RV thing would be to carry a real tire repair kit where you can repair the right type of puncture in a tire on the RV by pulling out the nail and inserting a rope/plug
That's what I have Ron.  Along with my Viair compressor.  It will not help with a blow out but outside of that even with no spare I feel comfortable that I can get myself to a local tire shop.  We rarely travel outside of the pacific northwest and there is a Les Schwab in most every town.

I certainly would not have taken the spare off it it came with one but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2018, 06:53:44 am »
I remember reading somewhere here on the forum that Phoenix eliminated the spare to get the coach within weight specs for some Ford certification on extended frames. I don't know if that need for reduction applied only to the longer coaches or all of them... or even if it is correct. Just passing on the possible reasoning.
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Re: Build a PC is Back.....but
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2018, 05:15:29 am »
I am not so helpless that I cannot change a stupid flat tire, inside or outside; nor do I want to be helpless because I don't have one! All it takes is a hydraulic jack, a good lug wrench, and some time. It usually takes far less time to deal with it than it is to have to call someone - if they can even be reached - and wait, wait, wait, wait. No thank you. Not being prepared is ridiculous, my daddy raised me better than that. I changed a tire one time about 50 miles west of Stovepipe Wells up in the Panamint range. I doubt there is cell service there even to this day. If the motorhome world has collectively become so millennial-ized  that I can't get one with a spare tire, I'll just stay with fifth-wheels.

I had a flat tire on my car a couple of years ago. Without getting into the gory details, when it first happened, I wasn't sure if I'd lost a half shaft or just had a flat. I just happened to be forced to stop right by some highway workers. They told me that they "weren't allowed to assist me" - that was fine as I hadn't asked them to! While I was investigating the issue, they were wasting my time asking stupid questions: "What are you going to do?". "What am I going to do? I'm going to crawl halfway under this car and check the half shaft. When that's OK, I'll change the tire and be on my way." They were flabberghasted - I guess they were used to wimp Americans that seem to be the norm these days. Jeez, I have a nephew who can't even drive a stick shift.
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Re: Build a PC is Back.....but
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2018, 10:01:19 am »
Zorba,

Your point is well received.  Stating it more kindly, I too appreciate being equipped for, and am capable of changing a typical tire., as long as I have a spare with air, and jack to do the job with.

People say the E-series spare tire weighs 100 pounds.  That sounds a lot heavier than I would have expected.  I admit I have not yet handled one so I am not certain I can personally man-handle it at my age.  But maybe the assistance from my wife or a good Samaritan can help me get the spare down and the flat up into the storage compartment.
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« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2018, 11:32:42 am »
Just a comment on the spare tire issue. Several years ago we had a flat on our PC, called Good Sam and they sent a tow/repair truck right out. The truck driver-owner was a petite lady, 8-months pregnant. She did not want my help and quickly and apparently easily changed the tire and sent us on our way.

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« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2018, 12:11:35 pm »
Just a comment on the spare tire issue. Several years ago we had a flat on our PC, called Good Sam and they sent a tow/repair truck right out. The truck driver-owner was a petite lady, 8-months pregnant. She did not want my help and quickly and apparently easily changed the tire and sent us on our way.

Are you certain she was pregnant?  Maybe she had a "spare tire" around her waist...it's quite common you know.

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« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2018, 07:42:57 pm »
There is another option Ive seen more than once. In the event of a front tire being gone you can remove one of your rear duals and place it on the front. In the event of a rear flat you can remove it and limp in on one rear. Granted you shouldn't be running 55 mph in this circumstance but somewhere common sense has to come into play. Myself I have a spare but I still call triple A to have it changed. However that being said, I've been in places like Death Valley where there was no cell reception of any kind and using this method would get you to safety. Also in the event your not able to change it out yourself there are very few places any more that someone won't come along who can give you a hand. All Im saying is not having a spare isn't the all to end all. There are work arounds.  Lets be honest, if you were driving a 40 foot pusher just how many here could change out a rear dual? I damn sure couldn't without some air tools. So whats the difference in the case of our smaller rigs? For those that can ,do, for those that can't, it really shouldn't be an over thought concern.


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Re: Build a PC is Back.....but
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2018, 08:35:04 pm »
Zorba, your comment is not well-received.  There are many ways to civilly express an opinion.  I have found this forum to be a great place where people exchange well-found experience on many topics.  FYI I am a former blue water sailor with more than 30K miles under my keel and fully understand the need to be self-sufficient.  Language and style is important in persuading others to the validity of your POV.
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« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2018, 09:46:05 pm »
As for a class A pusher, if I were driving such a rig, it too would have a spare tire. If it takes air tools to realistically change one on such a rig, I'd carry them - there would certainly be enough room. But a PC isn't a class A pusher, a spare tire is required and expected - and apparently, quite available. Even if a person isn't capable of changing their own tire - age and various disabilities will do that to people - you still need a spare when AAA or whomever arrives. When they do. If you can get them.

Rotating tires around to make it back to civilization is a great plan B. Not so good as a plan A.

When I was young and stupid, I once had to call for help to come - 75 miles one way. Thank Goddess it wasn't further and I was actually able to reach someone. And yes, the situation was entirely my own fault. Never again.


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Re: Build a PC is Back.....but
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2018, 07:36:58 am »
Zorba, your comment is not well-received.

Skin's a bit thin, isn't it?
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