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Has Your Ultra Leather Self-Destructed With Cracking Or Flaking?  If So, What Year Is Your PC?

2004
0 (0%)
2005
1 (1.7%)
2006
0 (0%)
2007
1 (1.7%)
2008
3 (5%)
2009
0 (0%)
2010
11 (18.3%)
2011
6 (10%)
2012
12 (20%)
2013
7 (11.7%)
2014
5 (8.3%)
2015
7 (11.7%)
2016
6 (10%)
2017
1 (1.7%)

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Please Participate ONLY If You Have Ultra Leather Damage

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Ron Dittmer

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  • ModelYear: 2007
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  • IntColor: Cherry Green&Gray
  • ExtColor: Full Body Gray
  • Location: N/E Illinois
Please Participate ONLY If You Have Ultra Leather Damage
« on: February 14, 2017, 09:15:06 am »
This pole will NOT expire.

Please participate only if your ultra-leather seating and trim surfaces are cracking or flaking away for any reason.  If your leather-like surfaces are fine or wearing naturally, please do NOT participate.

As PC owners with the problem respond, we all will get a good idea as to when the problem occurred, and if the problem has been resolved by Paul's Seating, the supplier of seats to Phoenix.

Ron Dittmer

ADDING: June 2021
It appears the break-down of the vinyl surface material is the byproduct of importing bolts of material from China which occurred since the recession of 2008/2009.  This is not limited to Phoenix Cruisers.  This is happening across the entire RV industry.  Phoenix addressed the worst of it by upgrading the human-contact surfaces on seats from vinyl to real leather called top grain leather.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2021, 09:45:23 am by Ron Dittmer »
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Nancy and or Jake

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  • Model: 3100
  • ModelYear: 2011
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  • Location: Upstate New York
Re: Please Participate ONLY If You Have Ultra Leather Damage
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2017, 11:07:30 am »
We bought our 2011 PC used last August. It had some small areas of peeling on the sofa. In the short time we have used it, the sofa began shedding vinyl  like crazy. The front driver seats are beginning to go also. It looks awful.  I assumed since we are not the original owner, there was little recourse in asking Phoenix to replace. Now I see that this is a common problem for this year's model, I wonder.
We use no hair sprays, vinyl cleaner or any thing like that, so I was dismayed to read that the problem was assigned to hair spray, hair oil and the like.
Everything else about our 3100 is like new.
I wonder how this will unfold (no pun intended)
Nancy G
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Ron Dittmer

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  • IntColor: Cherry Green&Gray
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  • Location: N/E Illinois
Re: Please Participate ONLY If You Have Ultra Leather Damage
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2017, 05:03:22 pm »
Given that I am the person who started this poll, I wonder if everyone else has the button called "View Results" to see how the poll is progressing.

Do you all have that button to see the progress?
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CKK

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Re: Please Participate ONLY If You Have Ultra Leather Damage
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2017, 05:22:47 pm »
Yep  (nod)
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Ron Dittmer

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  • ModelYear: 2007
  • Slide: No
  • IntColor: Cherry Green&Gray
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  • Location: N/E Illinois
Re: Please Participate ONLY If You Have Ultra Leather Damage
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2017, 08:13:49 pm »
Thanks CKK
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jfcaramagno

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Re: Please Participate ONLY If You Have Ultra Leather Damage
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2017, 08:42:45 pm »
Yes as well.  (nod)
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Two Hams in a Can

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Re: Please Participate ONLY If You Have Ultra Leather Damage
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2017, 09:20:11 pm »
Odd. . .we don't have a button to see results.  The progress is shown when I enter the Polls Thread.   :)(:

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tnedator

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Re: Please Participate ONLY If You Have Ultra Leather Damage
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2017, 08:24:05 am »
Quote from: Two Hams in a Can on February 14, 2017, 09:20:11 pm
Odd. . .we don't have a button to see results.  The progress is shown when I enter the Polls Thread.   :)(:



Could it be you aren't logging in until you are ready to post something?  When I was viewing this thread as a guest (not logged in) I immediately saw the results.  However, if I visit this thread when logged in, it gives me the option to vote or click a link "view results."
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Re: Please Participate ONLY If You Have Ultra Leather Damage
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2017, 02:37:57 pm »
We stay logged in 24-7.  :)(:
Edit: We can also add the "ultra leather" wall accent coverings in the front of the living space to the flaking issue. pyho
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chevyboy70

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Re: Please Participate ONLY If You Have Ultra Leather Damage
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2017, 07:04:07 pm »

Sorry, I meant Paul's


Rons upholstry has never responded to emails nor phone calls.  Totally disappointing the company
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Sarz272000

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Re: Please Participate ONLY If You Have Ultra Leather Damage
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2017, 10:41:10 pm »
Considering three 3100s, 2010, 2012 & 2013. All three had peeling driver seats. One also had peeling passenger seat. One of three had driver, passenger, dinette and sofa "leather" replaced. Other two didn't replace anything.   Replacement by Paul's $325 leather, $175 fabric.

Seems the most used seat goes first then the others over time.  The 3100 in only PC model that meets our needs. Not sure if I will still consider a PC. The asking prices are such that I would expect better quality, especially after 4-5 years of use.

I am interested to see if PC changes fabrics or supplier for 2018. Being 0/3 is like striking out.

Very disappointed

Ron
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Ron Dittmer

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Re: Please Participate ONLY If You Have Ultra Leather Damage
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2017, 11:06:20 pm »
There is a 2010 2910D on ebay with both front pleather seats looks quite sad.
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BarbRN

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Re: Please Participate ONLY If You Have Ultra Leather Damage
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2017, 01:15:18 pm »
All our seating has been replaced in our 2010.  We had custom recliners put in but not because of fabric failure.
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Re: Please Participate ONLY If You Have Ultra Leather Damage
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2017, 11:18:23 am »
I have a 2012 2910...My front seats/sofa and european chair are all shedding.....every time I touch them it looks like dandruff falling! What the hell is going on?
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Ron Dittmer

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  • Slide: No
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  • ExtColor: Full Body Gray
  • Location: N/E Illinois
Re: Please Participate ONLY If You Have Ultra Leather Damage
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2017, 02:54:31 pm »
Quote from: Lieutenant on October 02, 2017, 11:18:23 am
I have a 2012 2910...My front seats/sofa and european chair are all shedding.....every time I touch them it looks like dandruff falling! What the hell is going on?
There is speculation that during the end of the Great Recession, the manufacture/supplier of PC seats (Paul's Seating) switched vinyl material suppliers from USA to China which turned out to be an inferior product.

Our 2007 vinyl seats are fine, as is other PC seats made before the Great Recession.

I understand vinyl seats are no longer available.  When upgrading from cloth, direct human contact (seating) surfaces are now 100% leather.  All other surfaces remain vinyl.

It must to painful to all of you who have the self-destructing vinyl seats.  I feel for you.
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