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PC 3100 - What's not to like?

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PC 3100 - What's not to like?
« on: December 19, 2016, 05:31:10 pm »
Hi PCers,

I'm considering the 3100 and I'm just wondering what's not to like about it.  I've owned a number of Class Cs but none were over 26 feet.  The only other model that would be of interest to me might be the 2552.

Any thoughts, advice or observations would be appreciated!  (WH)

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Re: PC 3100 - What's not to like?
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2016, 05:40:58 pm »
The 3100 is really nice.  The only thing I would recommend you do is take a good look at how much of the rig extends beyond the rear tires.  For many folks this isn't a problem, but I've seen two that bottomed out back there.

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Re: PC 3100 - What's not to like?
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2016, 07:05:46 pm »
The 3100 is really nice.  The only thing I would recommend you do is take a good look at how much of the rig extends beyond the rear tires.  For many folks this isn't a problem, but I've seen two that bottomed out back there.

    - Mike

Thats a good point Mike.  I was wondering what the dimension might be between the rear axle and the back of the coach.  I saw a video on the PC site where Earl points out that one of their rigs stands higher and has less space behind the axle than the SOB unit they were comparing it to.

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Re: PC 3100 - What's not to like?
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2016, 08:12:20 pm »
Hi NCCAMPGUY

I was stuck between those two models for awhile but ordered the 3100.  I thought for driving, the 2552 would be nicer with the shorter length.  And I don't like that the 3100 can not carry a spare tire now.    When they brought both models to the Hershey RV show, I ended up spending long stretches of time for two days in first one and then the other to try to imagine what it would feel like on the third rainy day in a row with me and the dogs and cats all in there. Or how it would feel while preparing meals etc.  Since i intend to ultimately do this FT I decided I would not want to lose the extra living space and storage space and I felt I really wanted both the couch and the table. I like the visual feeling of room to be sitting on the couch and having the open line of sight over the table before that line is interrupted by the bedroom wall.  That keeps me from feeling closed in.
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Re: PC 3100 - What's not to like?
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2016, 08:34:12 pm »
Hi NCCAMPGUY

I was stuck between those two models for awhile but ordered the 3100.  I thought for driving, the 2552 would be nicer with the shorter length.  And I don't like that the 3100 can not carry a spare tire now.    When they brought both models to the Hershey RV show, I ended up spending long stretches of time for two days in first one and then the other to try to imagine what it would feel like on the third rainy day in a row with me and the dogs and cats all in there. Or how it would feel while preparing meals etc.  Since i intend to ultimately do this FT I decided I would not want to lose the extra living space and storage space and I felt I really wanted both the couch and the table. I like the visual feeling of room to be sitting on the couch and having the open line of sight over the table before that line is interrupted by the bedroom wall.  That keeps me from feeling closed in.
Diana

Diana,

I'm thinking the same thing you did.  I had a 27' Lazy Daze called a Rear Bath.  It had two sofas in the front and a dinette directly across from the galley.  It was great ...exept, when it came to bedtime when we had to convert the sofas to beds.  Lazy Daze also makes a 31 foot twin bed  where you can have a sofa and dinette in front.  I was/am still considering this rig also.  The PC 3100 is a bit tighter inside but seems to be a nicer pplace to live due to the slide.  Lazy Daze does no slides.  :'(

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Re: PC 3100 - What's not to like?
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2016, 08:42:32 pm »
Hi nccampguy,

The only potential issue I am aware of with any PC in the "over 30" length is over-loading the 4 rear tires making them susceptible to blow outs.  I assume the most prone model would be the one with a rear bedroom with slide out and all the nice cabinetry weighing down the back end.  It seems the least susceptible model would be rear twin beds with no rear slide out that is offered but not shown on the website.  I believe Phoenix removed the spare tire to help alleviate the condition.  Of coarse there are other influences like a full tank of fresh water, and what you bring from home & where in your PC you store it.  The worst place to put heavy stuff is rear of the rear axle.

When we stopped in at the factory last October for a tour, there was a PC owner full timing in a long unit, I think a 2910T.  He was there having his PC repaired from a very bad rear tire blow out that messed up all kinds of things on his PC including putting a hole in his floor.

Model 2552 and shorter don't seem to have the same concerns.  If I owned an over 30 footer PC, I would consider buying one of those easy-install tire pressure monitoring systems for under $300.  Actually it's not a bad idea on any PC regardless of length.  Bill G. put that into my head recently.

Please don't take my word as "fact" on tire blow-outs on the longest PCs for I am not 100% certain of it.  Do your research.  Ask Phoenix and the PC community.  But if the rear tires are loaded at or modestly beyond their load limit, I would put in the max tire pressure of 80 psi and use a TPS system to monitor tire pressure.  One bad blow out and you'll be kicking yourself over the mess you might have avoided over a measly $300 TPS monitor.

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Bruce

Re: PC 3100 - What's not to like?
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2016, 08:55:18 pm »
We love the floor plan of our 2552, especially the rear bath area.  If we were ever to get a longer PC it would be a 3100 for that very reason.
--Bruce and Sharon

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Re: PC 3100 - What's not to like?
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2016, 09:21:00 pm »
We have had our 3100 since Aug. It was a quick and easy transition from our previous 21 foot  BT Cruiser. It took no time at all to get used to driving it. We were extra careful with our turns at first; overly aware of the wider swing on the back end.  Drove it home from Florida, and then took a trip out to Wisconsin ....there is so much room inside. My ideal rig would be like a 21 footer on the outside with the room of the 3100 in the inside :-D  
We are retiring this year, and wanted the extra room for longer trips. Long story short, we love it!
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Re: PC 3100 - What's not to like?
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2016, 09:32:54 pm »
I recommend that you go with the 3100 since you plan to full time in the future. The 3100 probably is easier to drive on the the highway due to the longer wheelbase. I have owned motor homes from 24' to 41' and find the 3100 to be a nice size, although I could never full time in it. I liked the maneuverability of the short units but soon forgot about that once parked and setup.   Do you intend to spend a lot of time in the unit or will you be gone much of the time (hiking,exploring,touring,etc.). No one size fits all, what others like may not be what is best for you, getting input is good but ultimately you have to decide what works for you. I hope you get it right the first time, most of us didn't. You are considering a very good product, I am very happy with my Phoenix.
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Re: PC 3100 - What's not to like?
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2016, 09:51:59 pm »
If you don't like the twin beds, PC now has king bed option on th 2552 and 3100. It has electric controls to convert twins into a king bed. See the recent sold 2017 2552 for details.

Has anyone weighed the 2552 for axle and tire weight? How about the 3100?

Where is the fresh water located in 2552 and 3100?

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Re: PC 3100 - What's not to like?
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2016, 10:17:09 pm »
The tire failure at PC factory mention above scared me.  I considered a used 2016 2910D recently. My favorite color. My dream motorhome. But I calculated rear driver tire to be 400-500 lbs over loaded with full water. That really bummed me out. I turned it down. The 3100 May not be as bad with one slide.

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Re: PC 3100 - What's not to like?
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2016, 06:41:02 am »
We were full time for almost two years and will be again after family issues resolve. We were RV newbies and I agonized over the choices. We love the rear bath and the twin beds that allow us to carry myriad people without making strangers sleep in the same bed. We manage fine with the space though if our granddaughter travels long term with us, it will probably feel tight. There are trade offs no matter what. For us, the final deciding factor was the payload. Add the extra weight and extra slide of the longer rigs and you lose about 1000 pounds of payload. The 2552 has about 3k to start with depending on options chosen. The longer ones have about 2k. I calculated the weight of water, gasoline, propane, people, pets, food, clothing, tools, toys, kitchen gear, outdoor gear, office equipment (we were working from the road), and just general "stuff" and quickly locked in on the 2552. We tow a Subaru Forester with a car top carrier and it acts as our extra gear wagon as well as our transport shuttle. We don't load the inside of the car too much because, again, we want to be able to carry extra people to the store, dinner out or just to a remote hiking or biking trail.

Ron, those blow outs are frequently due to overloading. I know a snowbird couple with a fifth wheel that blow out tires damaging their rig just about EVERY year. When they told me the story and I saw how much stuff they hauled I asked what their weight limits were and they had no clue. I can pretty much guarantee the weight they hauled was way over what those tires could handle.

Another note, the rear tire was dropped to qualify for some Ford specification for the extended frames. I assume it has to do with weight balancing but I don't know the specifics and can't speak on that. By dropping that spare tire, the Phoenix will get some "blessing" from Ford they didn't have before. I further assume competition has it and touts it so you may be able to find a reference and figure out the specifics by checking claims that way if you so desire.
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Re: PC 3100 - What's not to like?
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2016, 07:43:11 am »
Where do you plan on camping? A private campground, a BLM or state parks, etc. Some of them have length limits. The 2552 or 2551 will fit in most any campground while the longer models will not.

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Re: PC 3100 - What's not to like?
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2016, 07:57:40 am »
Where do you plan on camping? A private campground, a BLM or state parks, etc. Some of them have length limits. The 2552 or 2551 will fit in most any campground while the longer models will not.

Tom, In the past we mostly stayed at KOA campgrounds.  We aren't really boon docking kinda folks.  We tend to think of the RV as a mobile hotel.  (WH)
 

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Re: PC 3100 - What's not to like?
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2016, 08:22:42 am »
we were full time for 17 years in 35 to 40 footers. we now have a 2552 and spent 4 to 5 month summers in the 2552. for us there was never a problem. weight is 1000 pounds under. the only thing i miss is the 155 gallon fuel tank. don't take too much stuff. it just gets in the way.