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Seeking Recommendations For A Compact Inside 110V Heater
« on: October 16, 2016, 12:00:25 pm »
Hi Everyone,

This past trip to New England, we had hook-ups many times and so we took advantage of our little 110v heater with 3 heat settings of 500w, 1000w, and 1500w.  It has what looks like springs inside that heat up to make heat.  At the highest 1500w setting, the unit cycles on and off because it runs too hot.  At the 1000w setting, it runs consistently but the plug gets warm.  At the 500w setting it's all good but does not generate enough heat.  So I am looking at replacing it with something more efficient and hopefully safer.  I hear about ceramic heaters but know nothing about them.  I am hoping to find a safe compact low wattage 110v heater that makes a lot of heat.

I hope you all with experience with these things can educate me.
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Re: Seeking Recommendations For A Compact Inside 110V Heater
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2016, 12:32:36 pm »
Ron,
This might not be what you are looking for, but I have used oil-filled heaters with good success in rooms that do not warm well.  I have not used one in an RV though.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000G1CXZI/ref=pd_sim_201_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=JNAAHG930GW70746ZJMT

The advantage is they are totally silent, no fan.  And there are no open glowing wire coils that always scared me.  The down side is they might take longer to warm up, but I am not sure about that.  Anyway, just something else to look into.

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Re: Seeking Recommendations For A Compact Inside 110V Heater
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2016, 03:27:25 pm »
I have used many compact heater/ fan units over the years, camping at work and at home, and have found Vornado fans and heaters to be the quietest and most efficient.

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Re: Seeking Recommendations For A Compact Inside 110V Heater
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2016, 03:45:02 pm »
Hi jatrax,

Thank you for your thoughts.

With regards to the heater you mention, I imagine anything that burns a fuel consumes oxygen which would be considered a really bad idea to use in an enclosed motor home.  I seek a simple clean electric plug-in-110v heater like I have today, but is more energy efficient so the cord does not get so warm on higher settings.  Also just as compact and quiet.

Here is the 500w-1000w-1500w electric heater we use but want to replace it with something more safe.  It measures 8" x 8" x 6" deep and weighs just 3.3 pounds.  I wouldn't be looking at a replacement if the cord didn't get so warm on the 1000w setting, and the 1500w setting would not cycle on and off due to the self-over-heating.  I seek the same heat with less wattage in the same general size, wondering if a ceramic heater is the answer.



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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2016, 03:48:35 pm »
Thanks Dave R, I will look into the Vornado product line.
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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2016, 04:51:01 pm »
We've used this with great success and comfort.  Very small, not too noisy.  It's variable speed/heat with no preset knob positions, so you just turn the dial to the exact level you want.

Pelonis Honeycomb Ceramic Disc Furnace - Model PF-1212  Serial PB6A11100827  (1500W variable, 5A min draw, 12.5A max continuous draw, 5200 btus, $65 @ Amazon, auto/man, heat/fan/off, adjustable thermostat, 6-3/4h x 5-3/4w x 5-1/4d)

(Could no longer find it on Amazon, but West Marine and others carry it:  http://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--ceramic-cabin-heater--12858122?cm_mmc=PS-_-Google-_-Shopping_PLAs-_-12858122&adpos=1o2&creative=108421552924&device=t&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=COrlncOb4M8CFUdafgodcUwMdg )

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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2016, 05:41:44 pm »
It all boils down to a certain number of watts used giving the same heat output per watt, minus whatever small amount is consumed by a fan, if there is one.  The differences are whether one wants a big surface area that's very warm at, say 1500 watts vs. a small hot area at 1500 watts, and various combinations of convection vs. radiant heat, or fan forced heat.

If one likes the quick heating and the feel of forced air heating and keeping air temperatures fairly uniform at both your head and your feet, and if one finds one that doesn't sound like a hair dryer (I haven't owned a Vornado but will keep them in mind), then they'd be a good choice if not too bulky and if they seem like they could be safely packed away for travel.

I like the silent operation of oil-filled units but don't know how well they'd pack or travel.  Their mostly-convection heat is silent and comfortable despite some potential for more stratified air than with a fan forced unit, and it can take a while to warm up a room.  These, and the "micathermic" (also silent), have large surface areas that get very warm, but not hot enough to quickly burn.  Micathermic also give off a bit more directional, radiant heat, along with the same convection heat as an oil-filled unit.  I don't know how well these would travel, either, but the lack of moving parts and of fluid would seem advantageous.  Micathermic can be wall-mounted, getting them out from underfoot IF one can find a spot where they won't still bang into it. 

Similar in material to micathermic but in a smaller, more portable size is the ceramic heater.  The smaller size would mean it'd have to be a hotter surface if consuming the same watts, but the otherwise higher surface heat is instead mitigated by a small, usually quiet fan.  Many are no larger than a large shoebox, so easy to place on a counter or out-of-the way corner as they heat with a combination of weakly fan-forced, some convection, and a little radiant heat.

Finally, various radiant heaters (quartz has been common) are the other option.  They feel good as they quickly warm the surface (you) they're pointed at, and like an outdoor patio heater, are unaffected by drafts.  But, their surfaces do get hot so I'm not sure it could be placed where it's do anyone any good and not be a trip or burn hazard.  I don't know how well they'd travel.

As there have been numerous recalls on different makes and models of all classes of these heaters, do research on that (Consumer Product Safety Commission is a start), read other reviews, (unbiased Consumer Reports is always worth checking) and remember that travel in an RV, even if in the often nicely packed shipping boxes they come in, may be tougher on them than the typical home use they were intended for.

We've owned all of these at one time or another, and I sold all types (and took returns) available in the early '80's while working big box hardware retail while in college.  Each has their place.

I do recall an outfit renting VW Vanagons to mostly European tourists would also sell or rent (can't recall) them small ceramic heaters for about $20-30.  Given the desire for happy customers and potential liability issues, that may say something about those heaters for RVers.

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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2016, 05:58:28 pm »
Re. cord plug overheating, there are a lot of cords with a number of strands not actually connected to the prongs in the plug, making for a bad connection and heat where you don't want it.  I'd either find a replacement 16-guage heater cord if the original is easily replaced, or buy a replacement plug with screw terminals, and wire tension inside taken up either with a proper Underwriter's knot or internal gripping device, or get rid of the heater.  Hmmmm...  You might see if the cord on that one was ever subject to any of the numerous recalls of all sorts of makes and models.

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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2016, 09:18:35 pm »
Thank you all for your comments and input.  Michelle, yes I agree that it is possible that the cord itself could be the reason for the plug getting warm when on the higher setting.  I suppose I could replace the plug, but thinking maybe I would do better with a better unit.

I did a little internet shopping and This Ceramic Heater At Walmart For $31 caught my interest.  It had good reviews with comments over quiet operation, something important to us.  I like the integrated handle, the depth for stability, and the red light as a reminder that it is on.  Watch the video by clicking on the icon in the upper left corner.  The girl lifts it by the handle where you can see the depth of the unit.

Your thoughts on this unit please.
Ron
« Last Edit: October 16, 2016, 09:23:24 pm by ron.dittmer »
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2016, 01:49:29 am »
It looks like a better design than the Lasko 754200 for $24.50 also listed, which appears to be similar to one under a Home Depot-only label purchased several years ago for occasional use in a chilly back room.  So far, so good with it, but the somewhat recessed knobs on the unit you identified might be better protected when packed away in its box.  Both have similar reviews that run the gamut, as does that unit mentioned earlier that is available at West Marine.  I'd have assumed they'd sell something more marine grade, which would be worth it if Mike reports the case or controls to be more robust, but didn't read enough reviews on it to know if that was the true.  It does seem like more planned obsolescence on many small appliances, anymore.

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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2016, 06:58:52 am »
The unit we have (Pelonis) is very robust and well made.  It is also extremely small (check the specs I posted) but puts out a lot of heat when needed.  The only possible issue for some is the "handle", which is a 'tab' with a hole in it for your finger.  I'll post some good pix of the unit and the controls later this week.

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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2016, 08:45:59 am »
Love my oil filled heater.  I store it between the driver's seat and the back of the front dinette seat.  If you drive with the driver's seat all the way back, though, it wouldn't fit.  You probably need at least 5 to 5 1/2 inches at the top of the heater between the two seats (the heater stands 25 inches high on its wheels).

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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2016, 08:57:24 am »
Mike/Pax,

I have looked again at the $70 Pelonis (West Marine) more closely, but having difficulty justifying to spend $39 more than the Holmes from Walmart.  I looked on ebay for the Pelonis.  Many used ones for sale but wouldn't buy used.  Current day production new ones on Ebay start at the same price as West Marine so no deals there to be had.

One more matter is the Pelonis sheet metal housing.  I like a plastic housing better for being bounced around in motor home without damaging other items or itself via denting.  Also as mentioned, the knobs are better protected and the integrated handle of the Holmes is very nice.

Still, I don't want to rule out the Pelonis just yet.  One thing going for it is that it is significant smaller.
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2016, 10:02:10 am »
Ron, I also checked out the Pelonis and read numerous reviews but haven't purchased yet. These small ceramic heaters definitely get the higher ranking and satisfaction level. I don't know how true this is but in the reviews several people mentioned that the design had changed and they were no longer as happy with the new models (looks like that planned obsolescence thing again - or overzealous cost reduction). People were looking for the older model Pelonis heaters to get the lifetime reliability and superior performance they were known for. I did that for a while but then just started avoiding cold places.

When we were stuck in evil cold with a broken furnace a few years ago, we resorted to using two small electric heaters but neither was so overly remarkable to list here. They kept us from freezing but warm and cozy we were not. Of course we were in an ice covered RV in a barren campground with wind and snow whistling around us. Not our favorite experience. 
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2016, 12:56:45 pm »
Apparently you get what you pay for. Consumer Reports top rated space heater, the Dyson AM09, costs $450. Rated third, the Comfort Zone CZ499R is $70. The tenth rated Pelonis HF-0063 is only $30.
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