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Cherokee Trailhawk Recall
« on: May 16, 2016, 11:29:49 am »
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This is intended for the Trailhawk Toads out there.  In a previous post I talked about my new Trailhawk and you all your input put me into a nice comfort spot.  I was concerned because the the Manual seemed quite complicated in regards to towing.  Many more steps compared to my Wrangler.  Well... This past Friday I received a "Customer Notification" with a yellow card (copy attached) that was to be inserted in my Manual to replace the page on towing. The new instructions tell me 2 things. 1) "It is recommended that the battery of the towed vehicle be charged during RV towing". Is this necessary and how do I do this? 2) It simplifies the hook up to only two steps, "Transmission in Park, Power Transfer unit in NEUTRAL (N).   

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Re: Cherokee Trailhawk Recall
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2016, 07:14:21 am »
We got the notice last week.  We have been towing our Trailhawk now for two years and had absolutely no problems with sway or control.  I suspect that a lot of folks may have overlooked the fact that you have to have a very specific transfer case in a Cherokee to tow it flat on these new models.  I know for a fact some people have bought Cherokees to tow without knowing or investigating the model differences and gear differences. 

I doubt if I take ours back to the dealer to have it "fixed" since there is nothing wrong with it as is from our experience which is several thousand miles and towing under many different conditions.   If the road is extremely rough we would probably just disconnect it and my wife would drive it while I drove the PC.  But, if the road is THAT rough, we are probably really in the boonies and going twenty miles an hour anyway.  

Also, I truly believe towing equipment (like tires) is NOT a place to try to save bucks.   I wonder how many reports of poor towing experiences are really caused by the towing equipment and brake setup.   Maybe not, but something to think about.  

Call me old fashioned, but "if it ain't broke don't fix it" applies here for me.  I am simply afraid the dealer would screw up what has been an excellent towing experience by changing something.

Paul

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Re: Cherokee Trailhawk Recall
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2016, 07:19:50 am »
I agree Paul... If it aint broke don't fix it.  Do you have a "trickle charge" to the Trailhawk?

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TomHanlon

Re: Cherokee Trailhawk Recall
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2016, 07:37:40 am »
I am 100% like Paul. I just got back from a 1200 mile trip to Michigan and their really bad roads with out any problems.
Yes I do have the hot wire from the PC to the toad connected to the Trailhawk's battery. It was done when the SMI brake system was installed. At the same time they hooked the Trailhawk's taillights/turn signals to the PC. I don't have to worry about the battery running down.

Like Paul said, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." 

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Re: Cherokee Trailhawk Recall
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2016, 11:15:05 am »
On my Ford, I ran a +12 and a Ground wire from the 7 pin connector from the PC to the battery with a 20 Amp fuse in each wire. Also did the same thing for a Hybrid Ford when his battery kept discharging while towing. after the rewire no problems.

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Re: Cherokee Trailhawk Recall
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2016, 01:42:15 pm »
I have yet to have any issues with my Trailhawk being towed but I am going to have the new wire harness installed.   The harness is back ordered with no idea when they will be manufactured so do not expect to show up at the dealer and have the recall done.  Yes, you do have to have the optional upgrade II designation to pull any Cherokee, trust me you would not get very far towing if the vehicle only had the base four wheel drive system, a few hundred yards most likely would be it!!!.  The purpose for the hot wire to the battery is to keep the battery charged so that a full charge can be maintained to keep the power steering pump activated to keep pressure on the steering system so when you hit a bad bump it does not set the wheels wobbling.  Jeep does not like to just waste money so I ma sure this recall is justified and for the safety of the consumer.
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Re: Cherokee Trailhawk Recall
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2016, 04:08:02 pm »
Here is what I think I will do.  In a couple of weeks we are going on a trip and the first day we will go about five hundred miles.  I am going to take a meter and check the battery voltage cold the morning before I hook up the Jeep.   At the end of the day, I will check the voltage again and see how much has dropped after all day towing.  I don't have a hot wire going to the battery, but it would be really easy to rig one up.   It will be interesting to see just what the drop is over an all day trip. 

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Re: Cherokee Trailhawk Recall
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2016, 05:33:45 pm »
Thanks Paul... That would be great info to have.  I do not have a trickle charge as well and I'm on my way up to New Hampshire (from Florida) next month.  My plan was to simply charge the battery by just starting the car and letting it run, when I stop for the night.

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TomHanlon

Re: Cherokee Trailhawk Recall
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2016, 05:43:38 pm »
Paul how do you handle the tail lights and turn signals? Will you be running the head lights on your PC all day, thus running the tail lights also? What will happen if it is raining and you need to turn on all your lights? Do you ever travel after dark?

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Re: Cherokee Trailhawk Recall
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2016, 05:56:51 pm »
We tow a Honda CR-V and have had battery problems. I have installed  "toad charge" it's on the Internet. So far it's been good. I have a friend who has used one for several years with good results. It's made by LSL products in San Antonio Tx. I bought it from them rather than from a dealer.  I've benn very happy with their attitude.

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Re: Cherokee Trailhawk Recall
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2016, 10:17:58 pm »
Tom, we have  supplemental LED bulbs in the original Trailhawk tail lights and signal lights  I bet when they are on they don't pull a total of two amps but that is a guess.  Candidly, the guy that installed my towing set up has been an independent RV shop owner for almost forty years and he said he would take care of everything and I guess he did because I have had zero problems with anything.  Persnickety fellow with three helpers that are all about like him and they have a three bay shop.  So, I really didn't question him about the specifics of how he was hooking up the equipment.  

Trailhawks were hot off the press when we bought ours and there were not many in dealers hands.   I went out to see this guy that did the installation and lo and behold he was working on his first Trailhawk that very afternoon.  When I saw that he had the front end panels dropped and the tail lights all pulled out, I made sure my wife stayed up front and didn't come back into the shop area.   The Trailhawk is her daily driver and she would have passed out if she had seen this sister to her Trailhawk so disassembled right then and there!  

Your second question, no I don't travel hardly at all at night.  I do run the headlights on the PC in safety zones and inclement weather but we take out early and shut down late afternoon.  No, we don't run the headlights all the time on the highway.  As I recall upon reflection, I think we did drive about three hours after dark one time coming home while towing this rig, but that was it.

This discussion is important to me.  I am darn sure going to use my voltmeter on the upcoming trip and take those readings and determine the state of discharge of the Trailhawk battery.  Quite honestly, since it has never been a problem I just never really thought through all these great points folks are making in this thread.  I try really hard these days to suppress my anal engineering tendencies :beg


Paul
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TomHanlon

Re: Cherokee Trailhawk Recall
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2016, 07:03:04 am »
Thanks Paul. Like you we got our Trailhawk when they first came out. Our dealer had to go get it from another dealer down in Va. Then we took it to a guy like your guy in Gettysburg, Pa. whom I have worked with for many many years. I told him what I got and he told me what to have done. Everything looked nice when they were done so I didn't ask to many question either. Everything has worked as I wanted.

I would be interested in your findings after the test. I might try it myself, if I can remember to do it.

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Re: Cherokee Trailhawk Recall
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2016, 08:31:03 pm »
had the new harness installed today on the TH.  Took the tech approx. 2 hours to install.  installation included removing the center console.  I now have a nice red safety switch tucked in by the power plug in the console bin.   there is strict instructions as to how to activate the steering pump otherwise you will set of a ton of dash lights including the check engine light.  when the parts guy secured the harness there were only 3 in the entire country so if you want one I would place your order before your base 3/36000 runs out or it will cost you several hundred dollars.   thanks, Ron G.
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