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Finding out the hard way!
« on: March 29, 2016, 07:59:49 am »
Two weeks ago I went to the place we store our PC2350 (lucky for us, completely enclosed and less than three miles from our home), drove the rig home and started doing some getting ready for camping this spring.   I checked out all the systems after dewinterizing and drove back out to the storage center.   Mission accomplished.

Yesterday, I went to retrieve it for another round of getting ready and making a few modifications.  When I opened the doors to the storage unit I heard a faint electronic beep...somewhere?....and opened the door to the 2350.  Well, the beep was the emergency warning from the Xantrex Pro XM1800 inverter control on the wall.  It was showing 10.5 volts input!!   

I always am very cautious to turn off the DC power locking switch located by the door that disconnects the coach batteries from the rig.  I DID NOT KNOW that disconnecting that switch did not disconnect the Xantrax.  We seldom use the inverter.  I had turned it on two weeks ago to test it and had forgotten to turn it off.   I was shocked to discover it was not subject to the power cutoff of all the other systems.   As I thought about it, I concluded that is because it requires a lot of input juice and thus is not wired through the system locking switch by the door.

News to me!!   Moral to the story is don't forget to turn off that switch!  My assumption that all is off when the door 12 volt system switch is deactivated is simply very wrong.

Lucky for me, yesterday was a picture perfect day with clear skies and full sun, 72 degrees for a high.  That was enough good source for the 200 watts of solar on the roof to bring the batteries back up to snuff after a full day setting out there in the driveway.  I will be getting it out again in a couple of days to complete my tasks and I will plug it in for max charge for a couple of days here in the driveway.

I am probably the only one that did not know to check that Xantrex switch separately from the main power switch.  I won't forget the lesson and that is for sure. 

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Re: Finding out the hard way!
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2016, 08:30:46 am »
Nope, you aren't the only one, Paul.  I had forgotten to check the Xantrex switch once before putting up the rig for an extended storage period.  Did quite a number on the batteries.  pyho

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Re: Finding out the hard way!
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2016, 09:29:20 pm »
Hate to be dumb but where do you turn off the Xantrex switch?

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Re: Finding out the hard way!
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2016, 10:42:59 pm »
Marshallu, take a look behind the driver's seat on the slanted wall where the controls are located (generator starter switch, slide out if you have one, indicators for LP, fresh water, black water and gray water tank levels, etc.)  The Xantrex switch has a green on/off button and is located there on my 2350 and I think you will probably have the same positioning for those indicators and switches on your 2100.  

Someone that has a 2100 can correct me if that is an error.  I bet all PCs have those items in the same place, but don't know that for absolute certain.  

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Re: Finding out the hard way!
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2016, 07:28:58 am »
Thanks for the tip!  While we're on the subject, does anyone know if there is anything else we should be aware of that is not turned off by the battery disconnect switch?

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Re: Finding out the hard way!
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2016, 07:58:09 am »
We have a 2100 and the on/off button is exactly where Paul explained, push in to turn on,  push in again for off.

I have the same question as Carol.   Something is causing our coach batteries to drain quickly.

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Re: Finding out the hard way!
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2016, 10:14:21 am »
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does anyone know if there is anything else we should be aware of that is not turned off by the battery disconnect switch?

I'm pretty sure the Macerater, slide-out and Generator starter always have power even with that switch turned off.

Another place to look for power loss are the tank heaters but I'm pretty sure that those do go through the main disconnect.



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Re: Finding out the hard way!
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2016, 03:00:59 pm »
We had a BT Cruiser ten years or so ago that always seemed to have run down batteries.....chassis and coach....when it had been stored several weeks.  I bought one of these for each battery.  It is a simple, cheap solution to parasitic or unidentifiable drains.   You have to remember that when you disconnect the battery on the chassis you may lose a lot of settings and as I recall on the older Fords the engine had to go through a "learning curve" for the first fifty miles after a disconnect to get itself set properly.  I have no idea if newer trucks suffer that consequence.   We all remember losing our radio settings when replacing batteries in certain cars.   

http://www.amazon.com/NOCO-ID220S-6V-24V-Battery-Disconnect/dp/B006EH9WUC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1459363967&sr=8-2&keywords=car+battery+disconnect

That little disconnect is cheap and effective.  I also have seen them from time to time at Walmart for five bucks, almost identical.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Everstart-936W-Everstart-SWAN-Terminal-Disconnect/16006670

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Re: Finding out the hard way!
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2016, 04:27:30 pm »
Thank you very much

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Re: Finding out the hard way!
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2016, 04:48:03 pm »
Thanks so much for the information.  We have no problem with the chassis battery draining just the two coach batteries.   The batteries are fairly new and test fine, just don't know what is causing them to drain.

We are leaving in a couple days for a short trip.   Maybe we can learn the cause during that time or when we return.

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Re: Finding out the hard way!
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2016, 05:05:48 pm »
You might want to try turning off your Xantrax inverter using the power switch on the inverter itself and see if that solves the power drain problem.  Don't rely on the control panel and/or the "kill switch by the main entry door.  Who knows, maybe that will resolve your power drain problem.

I suggest trying that because our older Tripp-Lite likes to sip power under certain "off" conditions.  The only guaranteed method for me to rest well is to turn off our Tripp-Lite inverter using the tiny power switch located on the inverter.

Also, make sure your light in the Sanicon compartment is turned off.  Maybe it gets power all the time like the Sanicon itself.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2016, 05:09:16 pm by ron.dittmer »
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Re: Finding out the hard way!
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2016, 07:16:37 pm »
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You might want to try turning off your Xantrax inverter using the power switch on the inverter itself and see if that solves the power drain problem.  Don't rely on the control panel and/or the "kill switch by the main entry door.

Ron,

When we had the Tripp-Lite on our older 2350 (2008) we were ale to turn it off an on at the unit itself.  But on the newer 2551 (2012) with the Xantrex Pro Inverter XM 1800 the only on/off switch that we have been able to locate is in the remote panel itself.  The unit itself is actually buried under the bed and the on/off switch is part of the detachable remote panel that in most cases for PC is found behind the drivers seat.  We have not been able to find any other switch that directly powers that unit.  

« Last Edit: March 30, 2016, 07:22:31 pm by Barry-Sue »
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Re: Finding out the hard way!
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2016, 07:52:07 pm »
Ah!

Thanks Barry Sue for that info on the Xantrax and it's location.  My hopeful suggestion is not going to apply in this thread.

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