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Looking to purchase an 2006 or a newer 2551
« on: March 26, 2016, 01:55:24 pm »
Looking it buying a used 2551 . There are a couple used 2006 on the the E350 chassis for sale and some newer unit on the E450 chassis right now . Is the newer 2551 on the E 450 chassis worth the price different ? I do realize the newer units are worth more because of age and mileage .This would be my frist RV ever and not sure how much I would use it. What we are trying to decide is what is wrong with the older and cheaper 2006 2551 over said 2011 2551 and $20000 more dollars .
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Re: Looking to purchase an 2006 or a newer 2551
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2016, 05:40:09 pm »
A key question is what is the condition of these units?  An older Rv that has had proper maintenance and care can be a great way to save some money. However if it has been abused and or neglected you will probably regret buying it unless you enjoy fixing, rebuilding, and spending money that you probably didn't plan on . You may also experience delays or worse a ruined vacation. There are problems with brand new rvs so I am not saying that a newer Rv  will automatically have fewer problems than an older one  but generally that is what you could expect.   Be sure to drive any used unit and to test all appliances and systems. Look for any signs of water intrusion , stains on ceilings, walls, around windows etc. this is bad news in any Rv. It would be good to have an inspection done by a third party.
 A big difference between the E350 and E450 is the  suspension and weight carrying capacity, check the CCC on the manufacturers label. The 450 will have more capacity if you are  going to load it with a lot of stuff or possibly a trailer with significant tongue weight. Good luck in your search, I think the Phoenix Cruisers on very well built and a good choice.
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Re: Looking to purchase an 2006 or a newer 2551
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2016, 07:07:06 pm »
You should think about the availability of parts for repairs on a ten or more year old unit. Not only the truck parks, but all the house parts like a/c, refer, electrical and body parts as well. Depending where you live, big city or small town can make a diffeence in getting parts. Also when and where you travel to. Problems have a way of happening in the worse places.
« Last Edit: March 26, 2016, 07:10:25 pm by TomHanlon »

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Re: Looking to purchase an 2006 or a newer 2551
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2016, 09:59:40 pm »
Tires and batteries are high cost items. Tires recommended replacement is every six years. Check the sidewall for the manufacture date on the tire.

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Re: Looking to purchase an 2006 or a newer 2551
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2016, 10:57:45 pm »
Some good input from others.

As for me, I would consider the 2006 PC2551/E350 if it was in decent shape and priced accordingly.  I think the weight distribution on them is better than for the 2350/E350 (what we own) of the same generation which makes up for some of the difference being a little heavier.  One good thing about the E350 is that it will offer a softer ride.  I have not read so in a very long time, but I do recall long ago, owners complaining that their 2551 on the E450 had a rough ride.  It might have had too much surplus of chassis capability over actual weight, feeling more like an empty box truck bouncing down the road.  Maybe they resolved the problem by carrying more stuff ???

One thing certain, if the previous 2006/E350 owner did not invest in heavy duty stabilizer bars, I would plan to invest in them for decent handling.  The E350 made before 2008 has NO rear stabilizer bar unless added later.  And the stock Ford-installed front stabilizer bar is very wimpy, adding that the poorly designed end bushings wear out exceptionally fast rendering the wimpy bar even less effective.  Heavy duty front & rear stabilizer bars will do miracles for the handling, and they hold up beautifully for they mount differently.  Much of the problem goes away with a 2008 or newer Ford chassis E350 and E450 for the front bar design is better.  Even though not heavy duty, because there is one in front and back and mounted well for both E350 & E450, they are more effective than 2007 and older.

I think 2007 was the first year PC came standard with two batteries and the whole house inverter, so keep that in-mind if critical for you.  I personally would be okay with a single house battery if all house-battery-supported lighting is converted to low wattage LED to conserve electricity, and don't exclusively camp without power-pole electricity.  Two batteries are essential without hook ups in cold weather and relying on the furnace overnight.  Remember.......when your house battery(s) is dead, so is your fridge.

I would not worry about E350 part availability because the Ford E-Series is extremely popular.  Parts for old E350s are everywhere in stock and will likely remain so for many more years to come for there are so many older Ford E-series vans, box trucks, ambulances, and motor homes abound.  The proof is that you can easily get parts anywhere in the USA for the E-series made in the late 80's, and the chassis has been more popular than ever since those days.

As far as PC specific house parts are concerned, most are used today in 2016 model years.  I would not worry about that either.

Appliances and such might be another story in later years.  You might have to replace an appliance 10 to 15 years from now, instead of repair it.  But then maybe it's time to replace anyway for the sake of age alone.

A garage kept (or otherwise protected) 2006 2551 cream puff, priced right would be under my consideration.  Not so much if weather-beaten with dried up caulk and showing water damage.  Paying $20,000 more to get a rig 5 years newer, updated and well preserved could be worth the extra cost.

The cost percentage makes a little difference to me as well.
If the 2006 is $30,000 and the 2011 is $50,000 that is 70% more.  I may favor the 2006
If the 2006 is $50,000 and the 2011 is $70,000 that is 40% more.  I may favor the 2011

Ron here with all my bla bla bla.....   :)  Sorry if it's a bit much.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2016, 12:33:29 am by ron.dittmer »
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Re: Looking to purchase an 2006 or a newer 2551
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2016, 08:01:31 am »
One other thing to look into would be the equipment included in each RV.  Since these units are highly (and generally) configurable/upgradable, one may have two a/c units and 50 amp service and the other may have one a/c unit and 30 amp service, for example.  Also, Kermit is always putting better equipment in these things every year, so generationally you'll get a better overall unit I would think.

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Re: Looking to purchase an 2006 or a newer 2551
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2016, 11:30:15 am »
I want to thank every one for the great ideas . After reading your comments and thinking about how we think how we will use this PC a 2007 or newer is the way to go . The battery invertor  issue is big deal for us as we want to  be able go off and not need to plug in . We also want the option of pulling a trailer some times . So Buying  a low mileage 2006 would still need upgrades and this all adds to the cost of ownership compared to buying a newer PC. There is also the issue of resale to an older unit to consider . We will keep looking and narrowing the list of what we think is the best fit for us.
Thank You again


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Re: Looking to purchase an 2006 or a newer 2551
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2016, 11:03:47 am »
The battery invertor  issue is big deal for us as we want to  be able go off and not need to plug in . We also want the option of pulling a trailer some times . So Buying  a low mileage 2006 would still need upgrades and this all adds to the cost of ownership compared to buying a newer PC.
Considering the importance to you of the 2-battery-supported inverter and heavy duty stabilizer bars, I would not simply rule out every 2006.  It is a question to ask the seller, if their rig has them.  I thought Phoenix started installing twin batteries and whole house inverter as an option for 2006, or maybe it was a mid-year introduction.

When looking at the pictures of the 2006 in question.....If the battery storage compartment is mounted chest high (I believe on the 2551 driver side), the rig has a single battery.  If the compartment is mounted low on the passenger side like today, it has two batteries and also the whole house inverter.

I feel the biggest leap forward Phoenix made was early in the 2004 model year when they introduced the current-day rear wall with integrated spare tire & storage compartments along with the current-day main entry door.  Those two improvements are big winners by me.  That rear wall is so very solid, functional, and it looks good.  It does wonders in strengthening the house.  The double-wall strength it offers is so much stronger than earlier model years.  The current-day entry door introduced at the same time in 2004 is so very solid compared to the older PC door design, and also beats the competition.  I tell people shopping for a PC to consider no older than a 2004 for those two reasons alone, unless an earlier one is priced so attractively.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2016, 10:24:51 am by ron.dittmer »
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Re: Looking to purchase an 2006 or a newer 2551
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2016, 10:05:49 am »
Looking it buying a used 2551 . There are a couple used 2006 on the the E350 chassis for sale and some newer unit on the E450 chassis right now . Is the newer 2551 on the E 450 chassis worth the price different ? I do realize the newer units are worth more because of age and mileage .This would be my frist RV ever and not sure how much I would use it. What we are trying to decide is what is wrong with the older and cheaper 2006 2551 over said 2011 2551 and $20000 more dollars .
Thank You
I have one for sale. 2010 2551 with 33,000 miles. E450 Chassis.  Listed on www.cragislist.com in Lancaster Pa area. 

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Re: Looking to purchase an 2006 or a newer 2551
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2016, 07:13:23 am »
Clicking the Craigslist link in the above post kept resulting in a pop-up for me.  It looks to be spelled incorrectly.  I would advise caution if using the link and with any pop-ups which might result.

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Re: Looking to purchase an 2006 or a newer 2551
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2016, 09:02:24 am »
If I type "cragislist.com"... as is posted in the link, I get to a advertiser pop-up.  This is exactly the same as I get if I click the provided link.  As I cannot see the underlying hyperlink, I believe they both match.  I can't explain what you are seeing... or not seeing.

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Re: Looking to purchase an 2006 or a newer 2551
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2016, 09:04:59 am »
Jim, I did get that popup too.  I see the problem.  Frecklestweety misspelled craigslist.  CLICK HERE to see her ad.

I see her rig is built on a 2008 chassis, the only year of the current-day chassis with all the latest improvements, but with the earlier dash board design.  Apparently the current-day dash board wasn't ready for 2008.  I find it interesting how the dash board is interchangeable.
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Re: Looking to purchase an 2006 or a newer 2551
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2016, 09:41:46 am »
I have contacted the owner and it seems to be in very good condition with new tires and battery's  . Why would the Dashboard matter ? Right now their is 2011 2551 for sale in FLA  with same mileage for 5k more . We are trying to get all information to make an informed decision .
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Re: Looking to purchase an 2006 or a newer 2551
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2016, 10:32:37 am »
I think that unit is priced $10K too high. Ask Earl, he has the best idea of resale value. 4 years ago my 6 year old 2551 sold for under $40K.



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Re: Looking to purchase an 2006 or a newer 2551
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2016, 12:59:01 pm »
Looking it buying a used 2551 . There are a couple used 2006 on the the E350 chassis for sale and some newer unit on the E450 chassis right now . Is the newer 2551 on the E 450 chassis worth the price different ? I do realize the newer units are worth more because of age and mileage .This would be my frist RV ever and not sure how much I would use it. What we are trying to decide is what is wrong with the older and cheaper 2006 2551 over said 2011 2551 and $20000 more dollars .
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I have one for sale. 2010 2551 with 33,000 miles. E450 Chassis.  Listed on www.cragislist.com in Lancaster Pa area. 
Corrected website is www.craigslist.com