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cooper tires vs. michelin tires for PC
« on: February 18, 2016, 11:21:12 am »
Just got a price on Cooper Tires for 1200 for the six in lieu of Michelins at 2400 at my local service dealer.  I got a price from a Michelin tire dealer in Newark Delaware for $219. each for $1314.  Delaware is 40min drive and my tire dealer is just down the road in my town.   At this point, I was considering selling my PC but decided to wait another year, so therefore I need tires before I can take it out.  Since my tires are eight years old I don't want to take a chance on a blow-out.   I see that Cooper tires have a good rating from race car driver Al Unser.   Cooper Tires have been around a long time.  My dealer here in town has been here a long time and feel I should keep the business here and make it convenient for me.  He said it costs him a lot to have the Michelin tires shipped in and that Cooper Tires are just a good.   What is the forum opinion? :help 

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Re: cooper tires vs. michelin tires for PC
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2016, 02:31:56 pm »
If the side walls show cracking, get new tires. But if not, you can probably get another season assuming you have good tread left.
I like Michelin and anywhere you go you can get replacement service. Not so much with Cooper,

BS about shipping cost, must be another reason.



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Re: cooper tires vs. michelin tires for PC
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2016, 08:20:35 pm »
Everyone to their liking but I would not think twice and buy the cooper provided they have the  same load carrying rating.

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Re: cooper tires vs. michelin tires for PC
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2016, 09:23:42 pm »
If the Michelins you now have are not cracked I also would go another year. If you want new ones for the peace of mind, I would not be afraid to put the Coopers on. Be sure they are quoting you the correct load range which I think is E. Michelin also makes different tires in the same size, I doubt that the prices quoted to you were for the same exact tire the price difference is too big to be logical. I would stay away from the off brand tires manufactured in China.
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Re: cooper tires vs. michelin tires for PC
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2016, 09:39:07 pm »
Everyone to their liking but I would not think twice and buy the cooper provided they have the  same load carrying rating.
I "Second" That!

But as others mentioned, if the side walls have just very minor cracking and/or in between the threads, I would just keep the old tires going.  Our E350 chassis was built in April 2007 so it's original tires have been in service for just about 9 years now.  We have no cracking of any kind so I plan on many more years and miles, especially when considering the weight of our motor home is on the lighter side as is your 2551, compared to a 31 foot E450 PC.  The heavier the load, the more likely the blow-out.
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Re: cooper tires vs. michelin tires for PC
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2016, 09:02:33 am »
Please consider reading up on what happens to tires over time, regardless of the remaining tread or conditions under which they are stored.  You will find that most chemists and engineers will tell you that the materials used in tires naturally change composition over time and weaken them. This change is not evident with the eye. 

I was educated a few years ago about this phenomena on the rv.net forum for Class B folks by some gurus on that forum, one of which was a retired chemist for one of the tire manufacturers as I recall.   I also talked to a local family owned tire and mechanic shop about this and they say it is really a problem because people just think you are trying to sell them something.  I figure there are only a few square inches of each tire touching the pavement and that is all that is between me and the graveyard.   After six years, I junk all tires on all vehicles regardless of appearance.  Also, you can talk to a state trooper about this.  They have seen a lot of things. 

By the way, I recently bought a set of Coopers to replace the Michelins on my Jeep Grand Cherokee.   They are perfectly acceptable to me, cost a little less and are highly recommended by my local tire guy that has taken care of me and all my vehicles (including motor homes) for almost forty years. 

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Re: cooper tires vs. michelin tires for PC
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2016, 09:44:08 am »
Obviously, everyone has their own opinions in regards to tires and the replacement of tires.  With my life really depending on the tires under my rig I do not like to push my luck with a blow out doing 70 MPH in the passing lane just to get one more year of use.  With that said I am a Michelin man thru and thru.  Yes, they cost a lot more but the company stands behind the product.  On the couple of occasions that I have had issues Michelin has replaced the tires at no coast to me and with zero argument.  My father in law went with some Coopers some years ago on a 25' Class C primarily because of cost.  Tires were the right size, weight rating was right, and he constantly checked inflation, on his return from Alaska four of the 6 tires all had side wall separation and Cooper did not stand behind the tires.  I think Doneworking has summed it up very nicely in that their are engineers much smarter than me doing the calculations and analysis on tires and I will go with their recommendations any day.  best of luck. Ron G.
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Re: cooper tires vs. michelin tires for PC
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2016, 10:32:15 am »
I worked in tire manufacturing for over 36 years and I would never run tires more than 7 years old. This is especially important on something like a motorhome. Some manufacturers have stated that tires over a certain age should not be used, others have not done so. My guidelines are what I follow personally.
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Re: cooper tires vs. michelin tires for PC
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2016, 10:39:00 am »
I worked in tire manufacturing for over 36 years and I would never run tires more than 7 years old. This is especially important on something like a motorhome. Some manufacturers have stated that tires over a certain age should not be used, others have not done so. My guidelines are what I follow personally.
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Thank you for all the advice and considering getting the Michelins and traveling to Delaware as their price is good and I save sales tax.  Just waiting for good weather to get there.  Hopefully next week.

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Re: cooper tires vs. michelin tires for PC
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2016, 07:39:02 pm »
Just got a price on Cooper Tires for 1200 for the six in lieu of Michelins at 2400 at my local service dealer.  I got a price from a Michelin tire dealer in Newark Delaware for $219. each for $1314.  Delaware is 40min drive and my tire dealer is just down the road in my town.   At this point, I was considering selling my PC but decided to wait another year, so therefore I need tires before I can take it out.  Since my tires are eight years old I don't want to take a chance on a blow-out.   I see that Cooper tires have a good rating from race car driver Al Unser.   Cooper Tires have been around a long time.  My dealer here in town has been here a long time and feel I should keep the business here and make it convenient for me.  He said it costs him a lot to have the Michelin tires shipped in and that Cooper Tires are just a good.   What is the forum opinion? :help 

DO NOT TRUST 8 YEAR OLD TIRES!

plain and simple.   A blowout will cost you far more than new tires from anyone.   As long as the Cooper Tires have the same load rating....they are fine.

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Re: cooper tires vs. michelin tires for PC
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2016, 07:41:45 pm »
I worked in tire manufacturing for over 36 years and I would never run tires more than 7 years old. This is especially important on something like a motorhome. Some manufacturers have stated that tires over a certain age should not be used, others have not done so. My guidelines are what I follow personally.
Mike
Thank you for all the advice and considering getting the Michelins and traveling to Delaware as their price is good and I save sales tax.  Just waiting for good weather to get there.  Hopefully next week.

Excellent advice.  I agree with you 100%

In addition, many repair shops will NOT repair tires over 7 years old...so even a simple flat can leave you high and dry.
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Re: cooper tires vs. michelin tires for PC
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2016, 07:46:28 pm »
Everyone to their liking but I would not think twice and buy the cooper provided they have the  same load carrying rating.
I "Second" That!

But as others mentioned, if the side walls have just very minor cracking and/or in between the threads, I would just keep the old tires going.  Our E350 chassis was built in April 2007 so it's original tires have been in service for just about 9 years now.  We have no cracking of any kind so I plan on many more years and miles, especially when considering the weight of our motor home is on the lighter side as is your 2551, compared to a 31 foot E450 PC.  The heavier the load, the more likely the blow-out.


Ron...I am sorry...but that is very bad advice.   Tires over 7 years old....with or without cracking...are a time bomb just waiting to explode.   No real expert in tires would reccomend using 8 year old tires.

Just my 2 cents...you and others may well disagree with me.
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Re: cooper tires vs. michelin tires for PC
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2016, 07:56:07 pm »
Our rig prior before  buying the Phoenix Cruiser was a Roadtrek 210 P class B.  Now, that is built on an extended Chevy van chassis and weighs over 8000 pounds before you start adding all your stuff like 30 gallons of water (250+ pounds), camping gear, etc.  Remember, this much weight sets on only four wheels since it was a van conversion.  

The RT came with Bridgestone tires.  After five years, I replaced them.  I got very confused listening to all the chatter about tires and so I called the factory up in Kitchener. Ontario.  I asked what tires they recommended and they said they really don't recommend tires, but all they could say was they put the Bridgestones on all their RVs.  I asked why and got a response that it had to do with the stiffness of the sidewalls.  Wow!  That was interesting.  

Apparently, some E rated tires have different degrees of stiffness to respond, I assume, to torque stress from turning, etc.  In any event, I bought four brand new Bridgestones just like came on the rig when I bought it new.  All I know is that the vehicle rode as quietly and comfortably and was as stable as a car.  I talked to my tire guy I have used a very long time and he told me he didn't sell them but  would get them for me if that was what I wanted.  They cost fifty bucks a tire more (not just from him but from other sources I checked) and I paid it.  My tire guy said based on my conversation with the factory, he would probably have done the same thing.   Heck, I had never heard of "sidewall stiffness".   Seems there is a lot of science in  tires.  And to think I used to buy used Montgomery  (aka Monkey) Ward tires and put 'em on my 65 Chevy!! roflol

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Re: cooper tires vs. michelin tires for PC
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2016, 09:43:07 pm »
I wonder what Kermit has to say on the subject and why he uses Michelins?

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Re: cooper tires vs. michelin tires for PC
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2016, 10:16:53 pm »
I wonder what Kermit has to say on the subject and why he uses Michelins?

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It's not Kermit's decision to sell PC's with Michelin tires.  It's Ford's decision.
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