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excessive heat in the passenger area of chassis
« on: June 17, 2015, 04:11:31 pm »
we have a brand new PC .  As the passenger I am feeling such extreme heat on the floor under my seat and on the wall and clamps of the "dog house" that I brought it to my local Ford Dealer thinking there was something wrong.  they opened what they call the "dog house compartment"
which is the covering for the engine and looked under the chassis and said the heat is a result of the engine heat and the catalytic converter which runs just under the seat on the passenger side.  What have others found to do about this?  I can't imagine that I am the only one who finds this "too hot to handle"  thanks. TP

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Re: excessive heat in the passenger area of chassis
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2015, 04:38:43 pm »
This issue has been discussed in the forum several times in the last couple of years. My wife has made the same observation about the heat. The consensus is that the cause is the catalytic converter. I do not think there is a good solution. Likewise I don't think there is any danger, just discomfort.

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Re: excessive heat in the passenger area of chassis
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2015, 04:48:44 pm »
Do a search for mats on this forum. Weather Tech floor mats helped us some what. But nothing is going to totally fix the problem.  There is insulation for engine compartments that you could glue under the floor, but that is a big job and some what costly. If you don't like the rubber mats in the summer just put the carpet mats on top of the rubber ones.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2015, 04:52:05 pm by TomHanlon »

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Re: excessive heat in the passenger area of chassis
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2015, 06:14:31 pm »
Unfortunately, I've never ridden in the passenger seat, I always have to drive!  My wife has never complained about the heat.  I did put some insulation tiles under both seats and I lined the doghouse with acoustic dampening material to help with noise, but I doubt either help with the heat coming out of the doghouse.  The exhaust and exhaust manifold are very close to the house and they are very, very hot.  I suggest trying a portable battery operated fan around your feet and see if the added air circulation helps.  If it does, then you can try finding a suitable 12v fan for a permanent installation under the dash.
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Re: excessive heat in the passenger area of chassis
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2015, 08:32:16 pm »
thanks for the suggestions.  Unfortunately website says weathertech mats not yet available for my year.  I will try a fan and some insulation. 

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Re: excessive heat in the passenger area of chassis
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2015, 07:03:52 am »
You probably could order the 2014 Ford Econolpne E-Series mats as I don't think ford changed the cab for 2015. You might want to check with your local ford dealers parts department to see if they know of any changes in the floor.

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Re: excessive heat in the passenger area of chassis
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2015, 08:03:27 am »
I'm also struggling with a solution to the cab floor heat problem.  I'm considering trying this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PV0HI9A/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AQMAGS965CBBF
The material is closed cell foam (not bubble wrap) with aluminum foil on both sides (not silver colored plastic).  I've used this material for insulating the windshield and cab window glass and it is really good quality.  However, I feel like pulling the seats and ripping up the carpet to put this underneath would be too big a job for me, so I'd have to have it done at an appropriate auto/RV remodeler.  It was suggested that I put it on top of the carpet and then cover with the rubber floor mats, which I'm considering.  I wonder if that would make the carpet trapped underneath a fire hazard.
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Re: excessive heat in the passenger area of chassis
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2015, 09:45:54 am »
I also hang out on a "general" RV forum which everyone there says the E350/E450 with V10 engine 1997-2015 all have the same hot-floor issue.  Our 2007 is no exception.

If you get on the ground and look up at the floor there, you will see that Ford does have heat shields in-place.

I have wondered if the heat is not only from the catalytic converter but also air blown rearward from up front, passing over the exhaust manifold, then hit the dog house, then under the floor.  Between the two heat sources, it becomes noticeably hot.

Unlike a box truck cut-away with rubber floor covering, the made-for-RV cut-away chassis does not have top-side floor insulation because the RV industry installs their own carpet and it must be glued directly to the steel floor to configure to the shape of the floor.  If you don't care about the carpet, consider ripping it out and install the stock Ford rubber (or carpet) floor covering for work truck applications which will have thick insulation behind it.  I would think it will be much more effective than the PC carpet.  I just called my local Ford dealer which gave me prices as follows for a 2007 E350 box truck cut-away chassis.
MSRP prices
$424 - gray or tan carpet (on back order, might be discontinued prior to 2009)
$482 - black rubber

An interesting experiment would be to drive an E350/E450 box truck with rubber (or carpet) flooring and see if the heat issue is a lot better.  I assume it would be, but maybe not so much.
« Last Edit: June 18, 2015, 10:20:20 am by ron.dittmer »
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Re: excessive heat in the passenger area of chassis
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2015, 02:53:48 pm »
Not to make light of the problem, but I did smile when I read the postings and then went back and reviewed where the OP and the subsequent posts call home.  No one, with the exception possibly of the folks from Florida, live in a really hot area of the country like those of us in the Southwest.  Here in Oklahoma, going down the road in July or August often sees an ambient temperature of over a hundred so you can only imagine how hot that truck chassis (yes, it is a truck) is getting from the engine and exhaust system including the converter.  The highways get easily measure in the 120-30% range on days like that.  

Therefore, I must say I never even noticed the heat in our PC.  My wife never mentioned it.  Having had several Class B and Class C motorhomes over the decades, maybe we are just use to the fact they get hot and sometimes REAL hot.   You might want to make doggone sure that the doghouse is properly cinched up and the seals on it are all in contact with their setting.  Also, you cab use this under the floormats:  

http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber=13357-56291-BP24025&langId=-1&storeId=10151&productId=3011904&catalogId=10051&cmRelshp=req&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1

If you read the reviews, you will see that the trailer guys and Class B folks cut out inserts from this stuff for their windows to keep them cooler and it works for that as well.  I made a set for each window in our previous RV and carried them with us for when we were camped in the summer sun.

Under the floor mats, simply cut it to be that same size and layout.  Then, you can use carpet tape (double sided and extremely "sticky") on both sides of the Reflectix to hold it to the mats and floor.  Incidentally, the tape can also be used to keep those pesky mats by themselves from slipping around like they are prone to move.  

Please don't think I am deriding the problem of the heat for my fellow PCers.....it is just that I am so adjusted to a lifetime of HOT HOT HOT that I am not cognizant of or sensitive to some of these things.  

Paul
« Last Edit: June 18, 2015, 02:55:22 pm by Doneworking »

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Re: excessive heat in the passenger area of chassis
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2015, 03:10:04 pm »
Paul I agree, that those of us in the hot parts of the country get more used to heat.  I have also used the reflectix products for several insulating projects, but have now replaced all those with the Low-E product, which is superior in several ways.  The reflectix is plastic bubblewrap with silver plastic coating on both sides...heat shrinks and weakens the plastic over time, and with any weight and pressure, like stepping on it, they eventually break down and lose the little bit of air-trapping abilities they have.  The Low-E product is a layer of closed cell foam which can take weight with out "popping" and has aluminum foil on each side which does not break down under heat or pressure.  So, if you are planning a project of this much effort, it's not much price difference to use the Low-E which will perform the task better than the reflectix.
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TomHanlon

Re: excessive heat in the passenger area of chassis
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2015, 04:55:40 pm »
Paul I have lived in a couple of countries that make your part of the states look like the chilly north. When you get that much heat all the time you get used to it and don't mind it as much. When you do live up north and drive down into the heat of the South in the summer you  really can tell the difference. Living in Maryland we get a little of all the weather patterns, hot/cold, dry/wet, etc. So we never get used to anything and we feel all the effects of the weather. I am sitting here watching the storm that you just sent our way, heavy rain and wind but no tornados. Bill is going to come our way this weekend. Most of the energy  from these storms is done with by the time they reach us.

One thing I will say about taping down foil insulation is that it would be a pain to take it back up in the spring and fall and put it down again in the summer. Some times the extra heat coming up from the floor on the passengers side keeps my wife warm while I prefer the cooler air in the off seasons. ;)
« Last Edit: June 19, 2015, 07:12:16 am by TomHanlon »

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Re: excessive heat in the passenger area of chassis
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2015, 10:30:06 am »
I concur that the heat is more noticeable to those of us in the cooler parts of the country. When in Big Bend with an unseasonable heat wave last year (112), everything was hot!  Our doghouse cover was loose and tightening that helped a little.  My solution-- I made a pillow of foam and fiber fill, covered in washable material,  that I rest my feet on.  I may retrofit with the insulating material to add extra protect. I like the fan suggestion. I have a low voltage fan that will run off the inverter or cigaret lighter sockets so will add that.


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Re: excessive heat in the passenger area of chassis
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2015, 11:01:52 am »
How about placing some thermo tec barrier between the converter and underside of the floor.   I had a real issue with heat in my saddle bags on my motorcycle. Item woul melt from the heat of the exhaust pipes directly beneath the hard bags. I used some of this on the bottom of my bags and the problem was solved. It doesn't cost much, is thin, easy to cut and apply as well as on side has seld stick adhesive.    You ca buy diff widths on Amazon.

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Re: excessive heat in the passenger area of chassis
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2015, 05:34:00 pm »
Done working, I doubt that insulation will work in this circumstance. It's designed to be used in the windows like you stated and does well there. Its also excellent for garage doors however in that case it requires a 1 1/2 inch to 2 inch vapor barrier in order for it to be effective. It can't be used between the cat converter and the chassis as the heat would melt the bubble wrap layer between it and be a fire hazard.

This is why I noted the THERMO TEC it can be placed between the chassis and the cat.  It will easily handle temps up to 2000 degrees with no fire hazard.


Doneworking, one last note on the insulation you noted. I bought it at lowes and installed it with a 1 !/2 vapor barrier on my garage doors. The metal on the garage doors would temp out at 160 in the afternoon soon. When I placed the insulation  directly against the metal it go so hot I couldn't touch it. With vapor barrier it barely gets warm to the touch and my garage never breaks
 100 where before with the sun hitting the doors it would get to 120 even on days where it was only in the 90's out side.
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