2910D vs. 2010T

Any preferences between them? In the 2910D is it awkward to eat using the chairs and table? Do you feel the full body paint is a worthwhile investment?

Do you know anyone interesting in selling a 2910? 

Ron and Linda

Ron and Linda,
When we had our 2910 built in 2013 (it is a custom with twin beds in the rear), we had a table made like the tables in the 2552. We generally eat at the small table while sitting in the Euro chairs but for "more formal occasions" we get out the larger table. Our small table, though, is not like the table they put in the  newer 2910s. It is the same small table that is in the 2400's. It has storage below the table. I think it is much better looking than what they put in the unit today.

We feel that the full body paint is a worthwhile investment. We get many compliments on our rig. Visually, it is more appealing. Some say that resale is higher with full body paint but----??? We did not order our three PCs with resale in mind. We liked the look.

We made other changes to the 2910. Some of which I think should be incorporated in the new units but I guess it would add more $$$ to the rig. We have posted pics on the Forum back in 2012/2013. If you are interested, you can use the search function or you can PM me.

Judi

Ron and Linda,

We do not have the Euro chairs in our 2551 but have enjoyed them when we camped with George and Judi.  I personally would go for their comfort versus a dinette.  We eat at the picnic table as much as possible but otherwise use the long table in front of the couch.  Works for us. We spend our evenings watching the TV so would really enjoy the euro chairs versus a dinette.  I think it is all personal depending how you plan to use your rig.

We also opted for full body paint.  After 4 years ours still looks brand new, it being stored in a garage helps.  Again personal choice.  We resold our first unit and FBP helped it sell fast.  After 7 years it still looks brand new!

Sue

Ron and Linda,

We have the dinette and take full advantage of the table and seating being available all the time.  Our first motor home did not have a dinette readily available of which agonized us immensely.  So our PC just had to have one setup all the time, and we "LOVE" it.

We originally ordered our PC dinette with standard foam-&-cloth cushions, but there were "comfort" issues.  I later ordered the vinyl covered memory foam cushions which completely resolved those discomforts.

My wife and I do seem to be in the minority over the matter of the dinette.  So many PC owners are happy without one.  In fact on other forums, people with other brands of motor homes don't want them either.

So there you have it....Ron and Irene are those "Other" people who love their dinette and no slide out.  

Oh yes, One more comment.
We are glad to have gotten the full body paint job.  Though I cannot say how well it would hold up in the elements (we have it garaged all the time) it looks great of which other people are quick to remind us so.

Here is our comfortable 2007 2350 no-slide out dinette in vinyl covered memory foam.  Today the factory uses a better method in holding up the table.  The round tubes are replaced with what I think is a wall-mount and one outside leg, which provides more leg room and easier conversion into a bed.

We have the Dinette in ours as well and its one of the items we  really wanted. However for those that are a bit more robust I can see where they may find it too confining. As far as the whole body paint. I bought used so I couldn't get everything I may have wanted but if the choice was mine to make I would pay for the full body paint in a heart beat. Not so much for the look, as I like the look both ways however I think its much easier to keep up the whole body paint. Lets face it there's a lot of surface area to care for.

Thank you all for your input.  PCs don't seem to age! They look great no matter what year! We love the full body paint but is hard to find in a used PC. We'll keep lookin unless we can get them to severely reduce a new one.    

Ron thanks for tip on memory cushion. The pics are sweet!  

We like the dinette for more sleep room for grandkids and breakfast in the morning, however the chairs are nice too!

Ron and Linda

Yes, it is a bit awkward eating at the flip-out table.  The euro chairs are too low or the table is too high in our unit.  It reminds me of when I was a kid. We tend to pick up our plates and hold them near our mouths when eating.

When the people at the plant discovered that I had raised the chairs about two inches, they said that they could have the table unit made at any height we wanted.  I declined but really, our table should be another 2 or 3 inches lower to be about the same as the dinette we had on the previous Winnebago View.

To have a dinette requires the 2910T.  For a long time I thought that did not make much sense because you lose that sitting area under the canopy.  Now in our fourth summer trip I found that we never sit forward of the entry door so that argument is not valid.
 
The other awkwardness is that to sit up to the table you must slide the eurochair out sufficienty to allow the arm to clear the cabinetry that supports the table.  This means the practical eating surface is only about 16 inches wide... about half the available surface.

As for whole-body paint, we have it but I would have never ordered it because of cost but, our unit was loaded for a show - along with other things cheap-me would never order. After the fact I admit to gloating a lot because of the endless compliments we get.

I should also mention that some PC slide outs are wide enough for a couch, but not for a dinette.  The 2552 wider slide out works, but not the lesser 2551 slide out.  The same goes for the 2351 over the 2350.  There are limits to consider.

If you must have a dinette but your otherwise perfect rig has the small slide out, then your other option is to delete that slide out which then the dinette will fit just like it does in our case.

Dickreid1
Thank you for your comments. It helped us realize that the dinette is more desirable. For one thing to feed the grandkids on those chilly mornings. We had a couch/dinette in our sunline and did use the dinette a lot. It also gives us another slide and more room to roam. I agree, the full body paint is awesome! It gives the unit a classy look.

Ron
We would prefer the smaller 2552 however at 6'3" I didn't fit in the beds. I know the one can be extended but don't want to lose the pantry. I saw someone modified the unit to make a queen bed. That is interesting.
The other issue is the 6'4" height in the unit. The a/c unit is a head smacker along with some of the other low hanging fruit! Do you have any issues with the inside ceiling?

Ron
We would prefer the smaller 2552 however at 6'3" I didn't fit in the beds. I know the one can be extended but don't want to lose the pantry. I saw someone modified the unit to make a queen bed. That is interesting.
The other issue is the 6'4" height in the unit. The a/c unit is a head smacker along with some of the other low hanging fruit! Do you have any issues with the inside ceiling?

To be honest with you, at 6'-3" tall without shoes on, I would not consider "Any" PC only because of he ceiling height.  I am 5'11" in my bare feet.  When I have my hiking shoes on, I can feel the hair on top of my head breeze past the a/c unit.

With regards to sleeping, I am good with our 2350 bed.  If I want more head/pillow space, my feet will over-hang the bed, but I kind-of like that.

The longest bed I know of will be model 2351 with the pantry between bed and stove deleted, and make the bed that 14" longer.  Earl at the factory claimed they could do that as an alternate plan on the video he made introducing model 2351.  I would do that for us, just to make it easier for my wife to get in and out from the window side of the bed, and also benefit from a larger outdoor storage compartment.  You can never have enough outdoor storage.


The 2351 with the longer bed, you can still have a pantry and dinette, but you would need to sacrifice the slide out.  That pantry will be between dinette and fridge.  It would look exactly like our 2350 shown here, but a nice size pantry in between.

Your height is a problem for both the rear slideout bed and for headroom.  Other tall owners describe a bedtime configuration of sliding the "short queen" mattress down 12 to 14 inches for the feet and filling in the head space with something. This results in a "crawl-over" situation. 

Possibly a twin bed alternatitive could be reasonably close to providing enough length... if you can deal with the air conditioner(s) and light fixtures, etc. in the ceiling.

Speaking for the side of the height challenged, I have to add that one of my very most appreciated things about the PC is the "reasonable" (lower) ceiling heights.  It is a thrill to be able to actually reach inside my top cabinets and turn on a ceiling light without a step stool 

if you can deal with the air conditioner(s) and light fixtures, etc. in the ceiling.

And the shower height too.  Anyone over 6 feet tall really needs to take a serious walk-through any PC before putting money down on it.

Speaking for the side of the height challenged, I have to add that one of my very most appreciated things about the PC is the "reasonable" (lower) ceiling heights.  It is a thrill to be able to actually reach inside my top cabinets and turn on a ceiling light without a step stool  

My 5'-2" wife would agree with you completely.  Even so, she complains the microwave is too high for her.  That is where I come in for the rescue.

Ron, I'm pretty sure the microwave is lower when it is on the slide as it is in the 2910. This reduces the space between cook top and the bottom of the microwave though.