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Borg Dually Valve Stems
« on: April 15, 2015, 03:19:41 pm »
After two flat tires due to failure of the valve extensions it was time to do something about it.  We decided to eliminate the extensions completely and had our valve stems replaced with Borg Dually Valve stems.
 
I called Borg Equipment & Supply Co. and spoke with Bill (818-352-3017).  He was very helpful in determining the correct kit to order for our unit.  We have a 2012 (2551).  He had me measure the handholds on the steel wheel and determined that we needed to order Kit # DL1SSTC.  I had a local tire company install them and am very pleased with the results.  This was one of our more expensive modifications at $128 for the kit and $80 for the installation but felt this was one of those things we could not do without.  (login to see picture)
 
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Re: Borg Dually Valve Stems
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2015, 07:56:56 pm »
What comes standard from the factory?  Being I bought mine used I have no idea if mine is stock or been changed.

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Re: Borg Dually Valve Stems
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2015, 09:02:22 pm »
Joseph

Standard for PC is Wheel Masters 8001-135B S/S 4 Hose Kit.

Here is a link to the web page:

http://wheelmasters.com/inflators.html

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Re: Borg Dually Valve Stems
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2015, 09:19:26 pm »
Thank you and that is what I have on  mine. So what is happening to you, is this a common problem?

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Re: Borg Dually Valve Stems
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2015, 09:50:13 pm »
Joseph

These are valve extenders and as such they are connected to the existing valve stem and then routed to the front of the outer tire for access.  Both of our failures occurred at the same point (where the valve extender connects to the valve stem).  The connection loosens up and the tire goes completely flat.  It is easy enough to fix if you detect it before you start traveling, however, it could be a major problem if it should occur during a travel day.

To put this in perspective this occurred twice in six years with about 45,000 travel miles.  I changed out the valve stems because I did not want to deal with this issue again.

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Re: Borg Dually Valve Stems
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2015, 10:11:56 pm »
I concur, and take it as food for thought.  Actually it makes the cost of the upgrade trivial.   Looks like a mod for me to add to my list.
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Re: Borg Dually Valve Stems
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2015, 08:20:57 am »
Our 2007 E350  tires are original and still undisturbed, last touched by the factory when built.  The original SS-braided extenders still don't leak but I know if I touch anything, I'll have to get rid of them.

When it's time for new tires, I am considering buying new Alcoa wheels and go with their recommended valve extenders.  Alcoa Wheels, Hubs & Lugs are $1,060 plus $86 shipping to me, at Southwest Wheel HERE.  Remember this is for four wheels, not six.  The part numbers are different because the fronts are polished on the outside, and the rears are polished on the inside.  Don't consider 6 wheels because the lug stems in the rear hubs will then be too short to accommodate the extra thickness of two alloys.

It seems the best time to buy Alcoa wheels is when buying new tires.  I would reclaim some of the cost through the sale of the four original steel rims with tires, wheel covers and lugs.
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Re: Borg Dually Valve Stems
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2015, 04:26:36 pm »
Ron, what are the advantages of the Alcoa wheels? I'm guessing weight but are there other advantages as well?

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Re: Borg Dually Valve Stems
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2015, 07:06:59 pm »
Technically, not enough to matter.  Basically the same benefits as a car, alloy wheels versus steel with wheel covers.

In order of importance to me.
 - A Nicer More Quality Apperance (especially considering my full body paint job)
- Reduced Unsprung Weight (takes bumps & holes better, and improves handling)
- Better Balance & True-Spin (reduced vibration)

If you look close at 18 wheelers, all cross country rigs have alloy wheels on the front for steering & handling, and most have them on the rest of the tractor.  Trailer wheels are steel unless owned by the trucker.

I really don't feel a PC will benefit much.  I just like the idea of having alloy wheels like my other vehicles have.
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Re: Borg Dually Valve Stems
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2015, 11:45:03 am »
 Barry;

  I'll be calling Your Tire Shop Supply Monday to order the dually valve kit. I brought the the coach home to start getting ready for this summer and the passenger outer side tire was flat. The leak is at the valve stem connection.

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Re: Borg Dually Valve Stems
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2015, 05:42:02 pm »
I looked at the Tire Shops website and they recommend replacing the rubber gasket every five years. This would mean removing the tires again at a cost of another $80 besides not being very good for the tires.

I wonder about removing the current extenders, putting a drop of removable Locktite on the valve stem and putting the original extenders back on. It would be a whole lot cheaper.

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Re: Borg Dually Valve Stems
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2015, 08:50:01 pm »
Tom,

We thought about a few different solutions, including using loctite.  The loctite solution was risky to us because you must be very careful not to get any in the valve stem core, if it does work loose the loctite forms strings around the thread and this could get in the valve stem core as well.

With our usage, the tires will probably need to be replaced at about the same time as the recommendation to change the rubber gasket.

Also, all steel valve stems have the rubber gaskets that may have the same recommendations.

We paid $80 at our local tire shop but if our local Discount Tire Shop had a larger balancing drum it would have been free.

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Re: Borg Dually Valve Stems
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2015, 01:48:21 pm »
After five years and 30,000 miles, our extensions have worked great, no leaks and easy to check/inflate tires.  I wonder what the failure (leak) rate is for these extenders?  We do hear about those that have leaked, but not so much from those that have not had a problem.

Based on my no-leaks experience, I have decided to continue with extensions when we replace the tires in the next few years, but I will get new extensions.  I don't want to reuse the existing ones because I think the rubber tubing may have hardened somewhat and won't like being re-positioned in the new installation.

To assure no leaks, I also wanted to have a way to keep them from getting loose on the stem.  Rather than Loctite, I am thinking of putting a glob of silicone sealer on the outside of the extension nut where it meets the stem thread.  This would resist loosening but be easier to remove and not risk anything getting inside the extension.

As an added level of assurance, I have recently added pressure monitors to the four duallys, I know that adds another potential leak point but then the monitor will report that.

Anyway, those are my thoughts on the subject.

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Re: Borg Dually Valve Stems
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2015, 09:14:12 am »
I called Wheelmaster. I wanted to find out what they would suggest. Wheelmaster said that there is an o ring that may be causing the leak.The o ring may have been damaged when the recalled tires where replaced and the extender should only be hand tightened.They suggested replacing the o ring. The cost of the o ring is $.25 each. They are sending 4 o rings out at no cost.

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Re: Borg Dually Valve Stems
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2015, 10:19:33 am »
Where I volunteer as an auto mechanic, I deal with o-rings on tire sensors.  They do "pancake", permanently deformed in a compressed state.  I wished we had a good stash of o-rings as I feel they should be replaced every time the sensor is disturbed.  The problem becomes serious when salt damage lifts the clear coat or paint around the valve stem hole.  The area then needs to be stripped flat down to bare metal and the o-ring replaced for it's most likely got deformed from the swelling of corrosion.

Though I don't usually see steel valve stems. I would imagine they have similar concerns.  Then adding the matter of the tire pressures on our PCs being twice that of a typical car.
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