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General Discussion / Re: OCCC for 2100 & 2400

« on: May 10, 2023, 10:53:28 pm »

If they buy used it could be on an E-350 chassis or even a sprinter.

Exactly … 

I get a chuckle out of how such a simple number, required by DOT and posted in every RV, can be so illusive and people refer to recognize it, or its significance. 

Illusive... "" Something that is illusive is based on an illusion, on something that is not true or real.""  Pretty sure the OCCC is based on reality, however elusive it can be to your searches.

Best of luck with your search.  Especially buying used.   Try posting this question on the PC facebook page, there is a good chance a 2100/2400 owner can chime in.

Illusive was chosen on purpose … 

One RV salesperson I interacted with said that a CCC of 1,000# is the industry standard for a family of four. Really? So depending on the size of the 4 humans, a full tank of fuel and propane, plus a half tank of fresh water there is enough left over for a six pack of beverage, a change of clothes and a sandwich for everyone. 

FB group not much help either. 

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General Discussion / Re: OCCC for 2100 & 2400

« on: May 07, 2023, 08:43:38 am »

refuse not refer

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General Discussion / Re: OCCC for 2100 & 2400

« on: May 07, 2023, 08:40:54 am »

If they buy used it could be on an E-350 chassis or even a sprinter.

Exactly … 

I get a chuckle out of how such a simple number, required by DOT and posted in every RV, can be so illusive and people refer to recognize it, or its significance. 

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General Discussion / Re: OCCC for 2100 & 2400

« on: May 07, 2023, 08:36:53 am »

The 2400 in Baton Rouge  is actually a Quigly 4x4 conversion.

I would not worry too much about the OCCC of  a 21 ft or 24 ft PC on the E450 chassis with a 14,500 lb GVWR. But for any B+ or C with slide-outs on a Sprinter or Transit chassis it would be a legitimate concern.  Just my .02

Yes I know, I’ve exchanged emails with the dealership.

Not “worried” about anything, however because of the ridiculously tiny CCC of Sprinters and Transits, want to know before purchase, plus as mentioned above some of the older ones could be an E350, toss on there that they don’t always have badges and then you have to find out the GVWR to know.

It’s a simple number that many aren’t concerned with. However, many end up overloading their rig, then whine about how lousy it drives and spend tons of money in an attempt to make it drive better.

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General Discussion / Re: OCCC for 2100 & 2400

« on: May 06, 2023, 07:41:59 am »

Seriously, the manufacturer doesn’t know their own product? How’s this possible? Is it possible the person who took the call didn't understand what you were asking?

Oh they understood what OCCC or CCC was referring to. I think it’s more like nobody ever wanted to know so we don’t keep track of it. So now that somebody wants to know let’s pull numbers out of the thin air.

Again, one RV salesperson I communicated with said the (unspoken) industry standard is 1,000# for a family of 4. Really?!? So once we fill up the fuel and propane tanks, add a half tank of water in case it’s needed en route, and the weight of the humans, there is enough left over for a change of clothes, a six pack of beverages, and a sandwich for each person? Stupid concept. No wonder so many spend tons of money attempting to get their RV to handle better, they’re likely overloaded.

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General Discussion / Re: OCCC for 2100 & 2400

« on: May 02, 2023, 06:01:40 pm »

Just saw this one for sale

https://www.rvuniverse.com/listing/for-sale/217356645/2021-phoenix-cruiser-2400-class-b-plus-motorhomes

Call them, have them look at the weight rating label, typically it's on the back of kitchen sink cabinet door or in the top inside  of the bathroom cabinet.  Or get the VIN from the dealer and call Phoenix... With that, they can give you the exact information.

I’ve communicated with that dealership, the OCCC for that particular 2400 is 2,780#. We might go have a look, it’s 10 hours one way from us. We hope they still have it when we’re ready to buy.

Zero confidence in Phoenix USA, have communicated with them as well, and always the same story - if we had one on the lot we could look, but we don’t have any.

Thanks!

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General Discussion / Re: OCCC for 2100 & 2400

« on: May 02, 2023, 12:12:50 am »

Don't know if you have a truck scale near where you live,  but you could load up your rig per your liking, and get at least both axle weights, and possibly each tire,  and
subtract that number  from your  GVWR.

If we even had one to begin with … 
The reason I want to know the OCCC is to help decide if it’s something I would buy. 

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General Discussion / Re: OCCC for 2100 & 2400

« on: May 02, 2023, 12:11:02 am »

You might have better luck inquiring about the  2100 and 2400 for sale listings on RV Trader and RVT. Maybe the sellers will send you pictures of the weight sticker? Mine is located below the kitchen sink, on the back of the cabinet door.

Oddly enough I get better replies about OCCC from starving used RV sales people than owners or the factory. 

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General Discussion / Re: OCCC for 2100 & 2400

« on: May 01, 2023, 07:23:42 am »

OK, both the 2100 and 2400 are built on the E-450 chassis as is my 2551.
They will be a lighter so the OCCC will be more than my 2551.  My 2551's shipping weight is about 10,500 lbs leaving me 4,000 lbs for fuel (55 x 6lbs/gallon = 330 lbs) + 50 gallons of water (8 lbs per gallon) = 400 lbs for a total of about 1,100 lbs "wet" weight 11,600 lbs.  So rounding everything up gives you about 2,900 lbs for cargo and people.

So my *guess* for a 2100 or 2400 would be at least 3,000 OCCC.

Oh understood …

One class C we’ve considered has no slide out, is 26’ long, has a sofa, dinette, and corner bed, on an E450 chassis - 4,164# OCCC.

Still would like an “official” number. 

Having difficulty wrapping my head around the idea of how this simple, yet critically essential number is so illusive.

Try calling the factory and ask for Dave Ponser.

Not that it matters, but the Phoenix Cruisers are considered B+ models, not class C.

And don't forget axle limits, you don't want to overload one axle even though the TOTAL vehicle weight is below GVWR

The reason why I’m asking here is my conversations with the factory as well as sales have gone nowhere. 

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General Discussion / Re: OCCC for 2100 & 2400

« on: May 01, 2023, 07:21:35 am »

The shorter PC's used to be built on the E350 chassis or the diesel Sprinter (or whichever lighter diesel was in production at the time). Some people upgraded to the E-450 chassis. I'm pretty sure the factory switched to the E-450 as standard for the shorter ones at some point. What this means is that the OCCC could be just about anything depending on which chassis and options are on there.

My 2013 2552 had about 3,000 lbs payload as built. No solar set up, no extra suspension items or air spring things. Only big weight-adding option we have is the kick down HWH jacks.

If you are buying new, you get the E450 so chassis can handle 14,500 lbs. My PC came in a little under 11,500 lbs. We have the spare tire which new models don't have so some weight savings there. We are 28 feet long with couch instead of dinette, heavier sink, no power beds.

If you're buying used, it's all over the map. You'll need to identify which chassis it was built on and a trip to weigh it might be in order.

Spare tire is, and as far as I understand, has always been an option.

We prefer the shortness of the 2100 and 2400.

Understood the CCC “could” be all over the map based on chassis and/or options, but for owners of 2100s or 2400s to chime in with their weight rating would be really meaningful.

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General Discussion / Re: OCCC for 2100 & 2400

« on: April 28, 2023, 10:43:25 am »

OK, both the 2100 and 2400 are built on the E-450 chassis as is my 2551.
They will be a lighter so the OCCC will be more than my 2551.  My 2551's shipping weight is about 10,500 lbs leaving me 4,000 lbs for fuel (55 x 6lbs/gallon = 330 lbs) + 50 gallons of water (8 lbs per gallon) = 400 lbs for a total of about 1,100 lbs "wet" weight 11,600 lbs.  So rounding everything up gives you about 2,900 lbs for cargo and people.

So my *guess* for a 2100 or 2400 would be at least 3,000 OCCC.

Oh understood …

One class C we’ve considered has no slide out, is 26’ long, has a sofa, dinette, and corner bed, on an E450 chassis - 4,164# OCCC.

Still would like an “official” number. 

Having difficulty wrapping my head around the idea of how this simple, yet critically essential number is so illusive.

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General Discussion / Re: OCCC for 2100 & 2400

« on: April 27, 2023, 10:59:10 pm »

Actually for us it is far from downsizing since the previous camper was a 14’ travel trailer … 

So the question remains, and in this case since you had one, what is the OCCC of a 2100?

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General Discussion / OCCC for 2100 & 2400

« on: April 27, 2023, 07:20:49 pm »

Hello,

My first RV was a 45’ fifth wheel in 1992, full timed in the Mojave for 3 years. Next was a 28’ fifth wheel that I wintered over one year in the mountains of Colorado. Had a couple more after that, also towable. But we’ve come to the conclusion that a self propelled RV would better suit our needs. So after considering seemingly countless makes, models, and sizes, the PC 2100 and 2400 are at the top of the list of candidates for us.

One absolutely vital piece of information (for us) is the OCCC (occupant and cargo carrying capacity). We’ve lost count how many we’ve rejected because the OCCC was impractical. So, to make an informed decision, and because it’s a number seemingly illusive to many owners as well as the staff at Phoenix USA, I have come here.

Anyone care to state the OCCC of a 2100 or 2400?

It would be greatly appreciated, thanks beforehand!
(Yes I realize it will vary (slightly) based on options)

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Tips and Tricks / Re: 2100 & 2400 OCCC

« on: April 27, 2023, 07:18:25 pm »

Depends on the options added to the base model.  So there is no one number for each model.

This question is better asked in the General forum section.  Much better chance of getting an answer from folks who own those models

Yes I’m aware that it will vary (slightly) based on options, but any number, a real number, is better than nothing.

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Tips and Tricks / 2100 & 2400 OCCC

« on: April 27, 2023, 03:36:41 pm »

Hello,

My first RV was a 45’ fifth wheel in 1992, full timed in the Mojave for 3 years. Next was a 28’ fifth wheel that I wintered over one year in the mountains of Colorado. Had a couple more after that, also towable. But we’ve come to the conclusion that a self propelled RV would better suit our needs. So after considering seemingly countless makes, models, and sizes, the PC 2100 and 2400 are at the top of the list of candidates for us.

One absolutely vital piece of information (for us) is the OCCC (occupant and cargo carrying capacity). We’ve lost count how many we’ve rejected because the OCCC was impractical. So, to make an informed decision, and because it’s a number seemingly illusive to many owners as well as the staff at Phoenix USA, I have come here.

Anyone care to state the OCCC of a 2100 or 2400?

It would be greatly appreciated, thanks beforehand!