OCCC for 2100 & 2400

Hello,

My first RV was a 45’ fifth wheel in 1992, full timed in the Mojave for 3 years. Next was a 28’ fifth wheel that I wintered over one year in the mountains of Colorado. Had a couple more after that, also towable. But we’ve come to the conclusion that a self propelled RV would better suit our needs. So after considering seemingly countless makes, models, and sizes, the PC 2100 and 2400 are at the top of the list of candidates for us.

One absolutely vital piece of information (for us) is the OCCC (occupant and cargo carrying capacity). We’ve lost count how many we’ve rejected because the OCCC was impractical. So, to make an informed decision, and because it’s a number seemingly illusive to many owners as well as the staff at Phoenix USA, I have come here.

Anyone care to state the OCCC of a 2100 or 2400?

It would be greatly appreciated, thanks beforehand!
(Yes I realize it will vary (slightly) based on options)

Downsizing is the most frequent reason those interested in the PC2100 list as their motivation.  As the smallest Phoenix Cruiser incorporating all the features of the larger models, it seems a good choice.  However, storage space is sacrificed to conform to the shorter frame. 

As a former owner of a 2100, I found having a lounge and folding bed combination made the lack of storage a big problem.    Daily routine makes folding the bed and storing the bed covers a priority necessity.  With limited storage space, the few cupboards available have to be dedicated to bedding.

A great rig!  Except closet space is very limited and there is no outside storage compartments
 

Actually for us it is far from downsizing since the previous camper was a 14’ travel trailer … 

So the question remains, and in this case since you had one, what is the OCCC of a 2100?

OK, both the 2100 and 2400 are built on the E-450 chassis as is my 2551.
They will be a lighter so the OCCC will be more than my 2551.  My 2551's shipping weight is about 10,500 lbs leaving me 4,000 lbs for fuel (55 x 6lbs/gallon = 330 lbs) + 50 gallons of water (8 lbs per gallon) = 400 lbs for a total of about 1,100 lbs "wet" weight 11,600 lbs.  So rounding everything up gives you about 2,900 lbs for cargo and people.

So my *guess* for a 2100 or 2400 would be at least 3,000 OCCC.

OK, both the 2100 and 2400 are built on the E-450 chassis as is my 2551.
They will be a lighter so the OCCC will be more than my 2551.  My 2551's shipping weight is about 10,500 lbs leaving me 4,000 lbs for fuel (55 x 6lbs/gallon = 330 lbs) + 50 gallons of water (8 lbs per gallon) = 400 lbs for a total of about 1,100 lbs "wet" weight 11,600 lbs.  So rounding everything up gives you about 2,900 lbs for cargo and people.

So my *guess* for a 2100 or 2400 would be at least 3,000 OCCC.

Oh understood …

One class C we’ve considered has no slide out, is 26’ long, has a sofa, dinette, and corner bed, on an E450 chassis - 4,164# OCCC.

Still would like an “official” number. 

Having difficulty wrapping my head around the idea of how this simple, yet critically essential number is so illusive.

The shorter PC's used to be built on the E350 chassis or the diesel Sprinter (or whichever lighter diesel was in production at the time). Some people upgraded to the E-450 chassis. I'm pretty sure the factory switched to the E-450 as standard for the shorter ones at some point. What this means is that the OCCC could be just about anything depending on which chassis and options are on there.

My 2013 2552 had about 3,000 lbs payload as built. No solar set up, no extra suspension items or air spring things. Only big weight-adding option we have is the kick down HWH jacks.

If you are buying new, you get the E450 so chassis can handle 14,500 lbs. My PC came in a little under 11,500 lbs. We have the spare tire which new models don't have so some weight savings there. We are 28 feet long with couch instead of dinette, heavier sink, no power beds.

If you're buying used, it's all over the map. You'll need to identify which chassis it was built on and a trip to weigh it might be in order.

Quote from: donc13 on April 28, 2023, 08:29:00 am

OK, both the 2100 and 2400 are built on the E-450 chassis as is my 2551.
They will be a lighter so the OCCC will be more than my 2551.  My 2551's shipping weight is about 10,500 lbs leaving me 4,000 lbs for fuel (55 x 6lbs/gallon = 330 lbs) + 50 gallons of water (8 lbs per gallon) = 400 lbs for a total of about 1,100 lbs "wet" weight 11,600 lbs.  So rounding everything up gives you about 2,900 lbs for cargo and people.

So my *guess* for a 2100 or 2400 would be at least 3,000 OCCC.

Oh understood …

One class C we’ve considered has no slide out, is 26’ long, has a sofa, dinette, and corner bed, on an E450 chassis - 4,164# OCCC.

Still would like an “official” number. 

Having difficulty wrapping my head around the idea of how this simple, yet critically essential number is so illusive.

Try calling the factory and ask for Dave Ponser.

Not that it matters, but the Phoenix Cruisers are considered B+ models, not class C.

And don't forget axle limits, you don't want to overload one axle even though the TOTAL vehicle weight is below GVWR

The shorter PC's used to be built on the E350 chassis or the diesel Sprinter (or whichever lighter diesel was in production at the time). Some people upgraded to the E-450 chassis. I'm pretty sure the factory switched to the E-450 as standard for the shorter ones at some point. What this means is that the OCCC could be just about anything depending on which chassis and options are on there.

My 2013 2552 had about 3,000 lbs payload as built. No solar set up, no extra suspension items or air spring things. Only big weight-adding option we have is the kick down HWH jacks.

If you are buying new, you get the E450 so chassis can handle 14,500 lbs. My PC came in a little under 11,500 lbs. We have the spare tire which new models don't have so some weight savings there. We are 28 feet long with couch instead of dinette, heavier sink, no power beds.

If you're buying used, it's all over the map. You'll need to identify which chassis it was built on and a trip to weigh it might be in order.

Spare tire is, and as far as I understand, has always been an option.

We prefer the shortness of the 2100 and 2400.

Understood the CCC “could” be all over the map based on chassis and/or options, but for owners of 2100s or 2400s to chime in with their weight rating would be really meaningful.

Quote from: IrisnGerald on April 28, 2023, 10:43:25 am

Quote from: donc13 on April 28, 2023, 08:29:00 am

OK, both the 2100 and 2400 are built on the E-450 chassis as is my 2551.
They will be a lighter so the OCCC will be more than my 2551.  My 2551's shipping weight is about 10,500 lbs leaving me 4,000 lbs for fuel (55 x 6lbs/gallon = 330 lbs) + 50 gallons of water (8 lbs per gallon) = 400 lbs for a total of about 1,100 lbs "wet" weight 11,600 lbs.  So rounding everything up gives you about 2,900 lbs for cargo and people.

So my *guess* for a 2100 or 2400 would be at least 3,000 OCCC.

Oh understood …

One class C we’ve considered has no slide out, is 26’ long, has a sofa, dinette, and corner bed, on an E450 chassis - 4,164# OCCC.

Still would like an “official” number. 

Having difficulty wrapping my head around the idea of how this simple, yet critically essential number is so illusive.

Try calling the factory and ask for Dave Ponser.

Not that it matters, but the Phoenix Cruisers are considered B+ models, not class C.

And don't forget axle limits, you don't want to overload one axle even though the TOTAL vehicle weight is below GVWR

The reason why I’m asking here is my conversations with the factory as well as sales have gone nowhere. 

You might have better luck inquiring about the  2100 and 2400 for sale listings on RV Trader and RVT. Maybe the sellers will send you pictures of the weight sticker? Mine is located below the kitchen sink, on the back of the cabinet door.

Don't know if you have a truck scale near where you live,  but you could load up your rig per your liking, and get at least both axle weights, and possibly each tire,  and
subtract that number  from your  GVWR.   

You might have better luck inquiring about the  2100 and 2400 for sale listings on RV Trader and RVT. Maybe the sellers will send you pictures of the weight sticker? Mine is located below the kitchen sink, on the back of the cabinet door.

Oddly enough I get better replies about OCCC from starving used RV sales people than owners or the factory. 

Don't know if you have a truck scale near where you live,  but you could load up your rig per your liking, and get at least both axle weights, and possibly each tire,  and
subtract that number  from your  GVWR.

If we even had one to begin with … 
The reason I want to know the OCCC is to help decide if it’s something I would buy. 

Quote from: jimmer on May 01, 2023, 06:32:01 pm

Don't know if you have a truck scale near where you live,  but you could load up your rig per your liking, and get at least both axle weights, and possibly each tire,  and
subtract that number  from your  GVWR.

If we even had one to begin with … 
The reason I want to know the OCCC is to help decide if it’s something I would buy. 

I understand why you want to know, but curious how much "stuff" and people you plan to carry?  I never got my 2551 weighed at a truck scale but did once go through a closed roadside weigh station in Wisconsin an we came in at a little over 12,500 with tons of "stuff" full load of water and waste, full gas, 140 lbs of coach batteries, full refrigerator, lots of stuff in the space under the driver's side twin bed, lots of tools, propane grill, 1 gallon propane tank, clothes, cooking utensils, food, ETC. Me and my wife and a dachshund.  And slideout.

We had almost another ton before we would be over GVWR.   And the 2551 is longer than either a 2100 or 2400 presuming the 2100 or 2400
are the newer models built on the E-450 chassis thus they would have a higher OCCC than my 2551.

Just saw this one for sale

https://www.rvuniverse.com/listing/for-sale/217356645/2021-phoenix-cruiser-2400-class-b-plus-motorhomes

Call them, have them look at the weight rating label, typically it's on the back of kitchen sink cabinet door or in the top inside  of the bathroom cabinet.  Or get the VIN from the dealer and call Phoenix... With that, they can give you the exact information.