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Main Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: Tarnold on June 06, 2020, 03:06:13 pm
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Getting ready for our second only trip in the PC bought last December. Installing new weather tech floor mats(nice fit). Anyhow happened to look up and under the right side bottom of the Samsung tv there is a 4 way push button. Controls all sorts of functions on the tv. Never saw it before. Knew everything there was about my chinook that got sold Monday. This 50 amp rig has all kind of surprises.
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Wait until you find the rocket booster!
roflol
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Haven't found the ejection seat yet either ? Guess which it ejects !
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Didn’t find the ejection seat. Had to take ALL seats out and get reupholstered. originals were gettin a bit flakey
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2014 rig and the seats flaked?
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Yep! Sofa had just been replaced before we got it in dec. had driver,passenger and recliner redone. Hint for those that might want to do this. Cheaper to buy all new!
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Cheaper to buy new! Holy crap, it costs well over a grand a seat to have it recovered? Maybe I need to consider going to pick a part. I had no idea it might cost that much. I was guessing 500-600 a seat.
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I paid $500 per seat plus material. We had to call Paul’s in Elkhart (his tag was on the sofa) to figure out how to take off arm rest, he quoted $480 for brand new seat!
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Interesting, Every power seat I find is over a grand before shipping.
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Your only going to have to buy the seat, not the power base.
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Oh I wasn’t aware... another learning experience. Looking at the seat controls I assumed it was all in. I wonder how you incorporate the controls into another seat.
So I looked at seats with ultimate leather. $740 a piece and that was the entry level on one of the sites. The better quality seats of course were more. I’m guessing there may be cheaper sites but if I’m replacing I sure don’t want the same cheap quality that came with the PC. So I’m guessing I’ll be closer to 900 a piece for better seats.
And as you said it cost you 500 plus material. I’m guessing material and new foam if needed isn’t cheap as well so the difference may not be much even up grading. I was hoping they could be done for 500 max all in and obviously I’m way off on that thought.
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Paul’s is the (I think) supplier for PC. I’m quite sure any new products will be ok. Also I think PC only offers leather now?
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Paul’s is the (I think) supplier for PC. I’m quite sure any new products will be ok. Also I think PC only offers leather now?
If you have a modest skill level to remove the seat and swap seat skins, I would call Pauls Seating at 574-522-0630 or email them at paulsseatinginc@frontier.com and ask them for a quote for replacement seat skins for your model and year PC. Pauls might have your exact PC on-file so provide both your chassis and PC VINs. They should be able to provide an accurate quote on exact replacement skins, both the color and style.
If I were dealing with the degrading vinyl, I would go with top grain leather on all seating surfaces to assure the problem never repeated. I would not trust China-provided vinyl seating material again. They may fix their process, but later play their switch-a-roo game again to save themselves a little money. Then you are right back where you started with more lost money and time.
I learned that switching seat skins on regular vehicles is not that hard. I've done it on a 1999 Corvette, a 2006 Jeep Liberty, a 2007 Pontiac Solstice, and a 2007 Saturn Sky. I have never done it on a PC, but I would think it is not much different. If you have reservations about doing it, order the material for your worst seat (and it's mate if that is the case) and give it a try. If you are overwhelmed, then take your PC, or just the seats to a local upholstery shop for the installation.
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Ron, looking again at the lousy quality of the seats they install in PC it would need to be super cheap before I would consider just recovering my seats. I had forgotten that the arm rest on the passenger can’t be moved with out beating on it and how I need to sit on a cushion I got from Costco because the seat sags badly. I’ve been reading and it appears good foam is pricey so I doubt mine will be an easy or cheap fix. I agree on the vinyl but All leather is not equal as well. The leather in my fusion is hard and thin and really a disappointment. I think I may go cloth this time around unless something really big sways me.
I looked at Paul’s website. At least I think it’s the correct web site. You can’t order or even price seats. Not impressed and if it was Paul’s who supplied the seats I have now I certainly wouldn’t consider them.
I also see where fkexsteel is no longer an option pulling out of the market.
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Ron, and of course buying another brand seat I may be just buying another headache. However I figure at least I wouldn’t be adding insult to injury by repeating what’s in the PC now.
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I contacted shop4seats. Its a minimum of 2 1/2 month wait on any seats. So for now I guess we look at fabrics etc and order this fall after are summer trip for a winter project.
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Got a quote from them also. Lead time was as you describe, that’s what prompted local job. Didn’t know about Paul’s prices until we had to contact them about arm rest after we had already bought material and delivered seats to local place.
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Some time ago, there were several posts about the "ultra leather" flaking problem in PCs. Ours is a 2013 on a 2012 chassis and luckily our seats and sofa never flaked and still look brand new. Did we ever determine what years all the flaking occurred? Tarnold has a 2014 had bad flaking. We had an early 2013 and no flaking. I wonder if it was just a bad bunch at the same time or what? It could have crossed several model years I suppose but I have never been clear on what years were involved, or it may not have been year specific. Any thoughts or ideas? I always examine ours carefully when I clean them and 7 years later all is well.
Paul
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Reading other forums I’ve seen mention of 2017 models with the issue. I don’t blame PC or I should say the new owners of PC. These companies know of the problem, they should have recalled them.
Not sure where this stuff comes from but I do know how places like China manufacturer things. IE if you were to go to them and ask them to build a widget they would ask what you wanted to pay. What your willing to pay determines the quality they produce. So it’s not all their fault. You want cheap crap built, they will comply, you want quality they will build that as well but it won’t be as cheap. Another example , on one of my assignments in China I stopped to buy some Knick off watches for stocking stuffers for my boys. They offered three levels of quality yet they all looked the same. A cheap knock off was about 10 bucks and the high end knock if was 50. The cheapest I had the bezel and crystal fall out the same day. Good laugh with that . The ones for $50 are still working 12 years later. I’m guessing the internals were prob a timex or the like.
So I can’t help wonder if the same goes for the quality of the leather like vinyl material that’s used? An example of that is the leather in my Ford Fusion. It’s really hard and rough of obvious poor quality. Remember years ago some of the leather used in Chrysler products. The car might have been junk but the leather was some of the softest supple quality you could imagine.
It could be some manufacturers are still buying the low end pleather?
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CLICK HERE (https://forum.phoenixusarv.com/index.php?topic=2680.0) for a pole on the subject.
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Ron, I’ve seen this, good to have. Reading of newer rigs having the issue makes me wonder if some RV furniture builders are purchasing their material from the lower end? I’ve pretty much decided to go with new seats and I’ve ordered material samples but I’m reluctant to go with any of the fake leather like materials.
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Ron, I’ve seen this, good to have. Reading of newer rigs having the issue makes me wonder if some RV furniture builders are purchasing their material from the lower end? I’ve pretty much decided to go with new seats and I’ve ordered material samples but I’m reluctant to go with any of the fake leather like materials.
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Naugahyde would be great but I’m not sure it’s an option when you buying new seats.
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I’m reluctant to go with any of the fake leather like materials.
Good decision!
MAKE SURE they don't sell you "Bonded" leather. Bonded leather flakes worse than the PC vinyl. Bonded leather is vinyl with 15%-25% tiny leather bits mixed into it.
We shopped around for a good leather couch and learned a lot about the various types and quality of leathers including bonded leather. It's entry level material that does NOT last at all. We seen bonded leather couches on display at furniture stores already showing signs of trouble.
There are a few different terminologies for the leather I advise to pursue. I am familiar with "Top Grain" which is 100% real leather that has a grain pressed into the surface. It is MUCH more affordable than "Full Grain" because full grain is flawless leather from the start. Top grain hides imperfections in the cowhide, hence is much more affordable. Full grain is 3x to 5x the cost of top grain, crazy expensive. We bought a pair of Amish trestle style recliner chairs for our house with full grain leather. We actually prefer the feel of top grain leather elsewhere in our house....but that is surely a personal preference.
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Ron, oh I’ve seen so many people burnt by purchasing bonded leather.
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CACTUS LEATHER! roflol
(https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/vegan-leather-cactus-desserto-mexico-5ee33e363edd3__700.jpg)
https://www.boredpanda.com/vegan-leather-cactus-desserto-mexico/ to read a bit about it
https://www.youtube.com/embed/x4sGOYbHoXo to watch a bit about it.
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Interesting and funny too. Cows drinking water is wasteful with the insinuation cows are only used to produce leather. Odd they left out horses, camels, gators and the like. Oh and the leather doesn’t decompose because of the tanning. Lots of things don’t but leather isn’t one of them. Sell the product, it might be great, and don’t bother with the infomercial. That alone makes me hesitant.
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Interesting and funny too. Cows drinking water is wasteful with the insinuation cows are only used to produce leather. Odd they left out horses, camels, gators and the like. Oh and the leather doesn’t decompose because of the tanning. Lots of things don’t but leather isn’t one of them. Sell the product, it might be great, and don’t bother with the infomercial. That alone makes me hesitant.
oOps! Ya sorta got me there. I am much more a 'read it' person than a 'watch it' person....so I never looked at the video. Sorry it displeased you! (WH)
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Volk... not displeased, not at all. Might even be a great product. Just got a laugh out of the infomercial. They claim it lasts up to 10 years but not under what kind of use does it last that long. I’d be interested to read how it’s held up in items like auto seats that get heavy use. I’m not willing to be the guinea paying to find out.