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Main Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: jim.godfrey on April 13, 2020, 08:30:12 pm
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Hi: Was surprised yesterday when I started my 2552 that the "Oil Change Required" message was displayed on the dash.
I believe I have about 1,245mi on it, basically drove it home from the factory and a few short day trips. There are about 7 hours of idling registered as well.
Was planning to do one soon anyways but does this seem normal?
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What does Ford manual say for first change. Probably 4K miles. They should have instructions in the Ford manual how to reset this message.
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We have a few 2010+ trucks in the fleet, and they seem to have no rhyme or reason to oil change intervals. The 2013 Colorado, same driver and route since new, can vary from 6000 to 9000 miles between changes, and one at 12K when I was sick of waiting for the light. For the cost of a change, I would do so. Reset, and see how long it takes to come back on. It may have some 'garbage' data on it from manufacture.
https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/understanding-ford-service-indicator-lights-by-brent-minderler
https://www.autoserviceprofessional.com/article/102480/can-we-trust-oil-life-monitors
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Jim,
I have just over 1800 miles on mine that I picked up in August and have not got that message yet. I wish this was something I could do myself but not allowed with our HOA, I had an appointment then cancelled it when the "Stay in Place" order was given. I will make another appointment as soon as it gets a little safer to get it done. I will have them do a complete inspection of the chassis while they have it.
My rear speakers will be delivered today and hope to get them installed this weekend, I will let you know how it goes.
Frank
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My *guess* is that it's based on usage, that is short trips vs longer trips, stop & start vs highway, high idle times vs essentially none, engine load, etc.
My son had a Ford pickup and the change intervals changed due to his usage.
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The manual just states 7500 mi and doesn't doesn't say anything special about first change.
I was planning to do one around 2500 mi anyways but now will do it sooner.
The reported 7 hours of idling seemed kind of high to me. Iv'e only idled it a little over an hour since getting it home.
Wonder if it can sense a change in oil pressure possibly due to clog somewhere? not sure how smart it actually is.
Oh well another thing to add to the to-do list.
Frank, good luck with the speakers! I'm sure they will sound great. Or at least a whole lot better! :-D
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There is no way I would let a manual or some internal sensor determine when I should get my oil changed. As an example my smart car manual stated Mobil one at 10,000 miles intervals. The problem is I send in a sample to find out when I should change and at 5,000 miles the oil was close to end of service. My Fusion the tests show its time to change at 6500. On my motorhome running synthetic pulling a toad that’s 6,000 miles. Now that I’m going to be pulling a heavier toad I’ll send in a sample at 5,000 to see where I’m at. If 5,000 is good then I’m good to go. Testing labs like Black stone will send you the sample bottle free of charge, the test costs roughly $25.
I haven’t tested my Jeep yet as I haven’t driven it enough. Once I can run it 4-5000 miles I’ll run a test. Typically I have the information I need with one test.
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Hi: Was surprised yesterday when I started my 2552 that the "Oil Change Required" message was displayed on the dash.
I believe I have about 1,245mi on it, basically drove it home from the factory and a few short day trips. There are about 7 hours of idling registered as well.
Was planning to do one soon anyways but does this seem normal?
Just curious...what was the date of manufacture for your chassis? Is it a year old? Wondering if there is some sort of calendar running in the computer. Always heard to change RV oil yearly if mileage is not met.
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Holly, you might be right! Just checked and the build date from Ford is 5 / 2019 so only a couple of weeks away. And that is when the label was generated, Pretty sure the ECM would start counting the first time it is powered on so likely befor the truck was finished.
Joseph, in this case I think I will do my oil change based on the warning but will have it checked as well to start getting an idea of how often it will need to be changed. Will check out Blackstone Labs, thanks!
Couple of other things I learned while poking around looking forthe Ford build date;
I DO have an RVIA sticker under my hood.
I DO have a Trick-L-Start installed from the factory :)(:
Question about the Trik-L-Start, does PC wire them on always on line or are they connected through a relay initiated by the white switch on the dash?
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Oops, sorry Doug. Got 2 Lucky confused with 2 Frazzled.
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Jim,
Below are three quotes from the first link posted by Volkeman in his earlier post; note quote number 3. Looks like Doug's (and your) speculation may be valid.
"There are currently four different versions of OLM being used and each has its own operational characteristics. Some OLM’s are more sophisticated, or intelligent, than others, but they will typically take into consideration the factors that can affect the engine oil life in both a positive and negative way."
"General Motors (GM) started using this type of OLM (GM calls it GM Oil-Life System, or GMOLS) back in 1998 and based the need for an oil change heavily on the number of engine revolutions and operating temperature."
"Ford’s Intelligent Oil Life Monitor (or IOLM) is also a software-based OLM that calculates when an oil change is required — very similar to the GMOLS, but the Ford system incorporates a timer that will turn on the oil change required light after one year has passed."
Also, on the Trik-L-Start. Mine (installed by Phoenix), is wired directly on-line. If I cut the main house battery switch, it kills the feed to the Trik-L-Start; otherwise, it gets a constant feed from the house batteries.
Mike
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Thanks Mike! Hope all is well with you.
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Ok came back to this thread to find out when it was that my last oil change occurred.
Why?
My Oil Change Required light is on again!
So last time I figured it came on because the chassis was about a year old even though I only had a little over 1200 mi on it.
I did the O.C. and reset the OLMS
Now just about 6 months and with only about 3400 miles on the odometer, it is on again.
Can't for the life of me come up with a good reason.
Unless some goofball (me) adjusted the oil life percentage down by mistake while fiddling with the onboard Information Display.
Don't remember doing it, but stranger things have happened.
Only other thing is it is showing 14 hours of idling. Think that could affect it?
Any ideas?
Thanks, Jim G.
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Rather than worrying about when the light comes on why not send in a sample when you change. That will tell you accurately if the oil is done or longevity left. It’s worth piece of mind in my book. You won’t need to check every time. This time your at 3400 miles . If they say your good to go longer next time you try 5,000. A couple of tests and you know with piece of mind and forget the sensor.
As an example my smart car manual said change every 10,000 and that’s when the sensor would trip. They advised to use Mobil one oil which I did. At 5,000 miles the lab test revealed the oil was at the end of life. No way would I go till the sensor went off in that case. So I changed every 5,000 miles and reset the sensor.
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How much does a oil “check” cost in lieu of just going out and buying a jug of oil/filter and do a change?
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An oil test is about $25. And yes you can just change your oil at 3,000 or 5,000 or whatever floats your boat. So not knowing how long your oils lasting and your on a trip do you just say what the hell and go the whole 5-6-7 thousand miles having no idea or do you spend $25 bucks once or twice to know? I get it though some people don’t care, they’d rather just change when a sensor says or manual says and that’s fine. In this case here’s a owner who wants to know why his sensor is telling them it’s time for service so it’s apparent they do care. At least that’s how I’m reading it but I’ve been wrong so many times before .
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Joseph: I already have the Blackstone sample bottle ready to go!
But this oil only has 1200 miles and 6 months on it so I expect it to be fine.
What I can't understand why the Oil Life Monitoring System could think it is time for a change.
From what I've read, the OLMS does not actually monitor oil condition, just the running conditions that can affect the oil, like miles, temps, idling, months etc.
I think my path forward will be to ignore the warning for now as the RV is under cover for the winter and in the spring I'll change it and send in the sample for analysis.
It will be about a year old in the spring anyways.
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Jim, before I retired my last company vehicle oil monitor was screwy. I spent so much time over seas that it would sit for months. Sometimes I’d come back snd it would indicate 90% left other times it might say 30% and in either case it would have less than a 1,000 miles. It didn’t matter in my case being I used it so little, they just serviced it once a year. It was never more than 2000 miles on the vehicle in a year.
I wouldn’t do a test in under say 4,000 or even at 5,000 miles. I’m assuming your using a synthetic or synthetic blend oil. In your case you might just change it this spring and send one in next fall. All depends on how many miles you drive a season.
Don’t the newer v10’s call for 5-30?
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Yes: From my manual:
SAE 5W-30 Premium Synthetic Blend (Recommends Motorcraft of course, but I usually use Mobile One when possible)
Thanks for the wisdom.
Best regards, Jim G.
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Yes: From my manual:
SAE 5W-30 Premium Synthetic Blend (Recommends Motorcraft of course, but I usually use Mobile One when possible)
Thanks for the wisdom.
Best regards, Jim G.
Our 2007 Ford owners manual states 5W-20 for our V10 engine. I wonder why Ford up'd it?
I've used full synthetic 5W-20 all this time in spring/summer/fall. I change it prior to a cross-country trip of 4000-6000 miles. Our 2007 chassis does not have an oil minder.
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Ron, not sure but I heard they changed to 5-30 around 2016 but don’t quote me on this, I don’t know this for a fact.
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Jim ., one thing I failed to mention. If your rig is under warranty keep a log and receipts for all your service. Oil, air filters etc, dates, mileage etc. You do not need the service done by a dealer etc , just keep a log and your receipts.
I had a failure 20 years ago where I did all my own service work. They denied my claim, but after a copy of my log book and receipts were submitted they covered 100% of the bill.
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Good advice Joseph.!
I do keep a written record in the back of my owners manuals.
Fingers crossed I won't need it. 2o2
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Jim , odds are you never will. I believe in advance work, it kept me alive for years so I added it to many every day things in life.