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6 weeks into "two weeks to flatten curve"
« on: April 22, 2020, 02:41:56 pm »
6 weeks into our national "2 weeks to flatten the curve", I'm about to say to heck with it and hit the road.  This stupid thing already cost me an Alaska cruise.  Now it's cutting into my RV time!

Is anyone else thinking that a one-in-10,000 chance of dying from the Wuhan Cold might be worth the opportunity to burn some of that $1.25 gas?

Anyone already out there?  Are the campgrounds open? 

Will this lunacy ever end?

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Re: 6 weeks into "two weeks to flatten curve"
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2020, 06:31:41 pm »
Cheap gas sure is tempting.  On other forums lots of full time RV'ers worried about finding a place to park as they return from down south.  Lots of campgrounds are closed or closing.  Here in Washington all state campgrounds are closed.  Private ones are hit & miss.  Many are stating that they will accept only 30 day reservations or longer.  I suppose that is regulated by the state though so it will be different in other places.

My daughter in law works in the hospital so I have some insight as to what is happening on the front lines.  It is terrifying.  She goes to work scared and comes home worse.  They took over half the rooms in her department and have them set up as make-shift ICU's.  Most are empty but they are preparing.

I think we can see the light at the end but my wife has history from the 1918 flu and lost several relatives then.  They died during the third wave.  This isn't just going to go away, as soon as things loosen up the second wave will start.............

2 weeks?  Fantasy.  6 weeks?  Just getting started.  I'm hoping for some semblance of normal by fall.  And even that might be optimistic.  Our rig is parked and we are not moving this year.  That's just a personal decision, to be honest I suspect one of the safest places to be would be at a campground.

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Re: 6 weeks into "two weeks to flatten curve"
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2020, 08:06:21 pm »
I think at this point it would be very hard to predict what would be open, what would be closed, what the experience might be like, and what the risk would be to yourself and others. We are staying home until at least late June (at which point we must head from MA to GA to care for my wife's elderly mother). My 24 y.o. daughter and her boyfriend have been on the road since November 2019 living the "van life"; they went down the East coast to Key West, across the South and into Mexico, then into the SW USA and then made their way tot he Pacific NW (where he will work starting May as a wildland firefighter). They have been stealth camping the entire time. Since mid-March their travels have NOT been normal. Many places and things are closed. In some states (or counties?) all camping is banned (e.g., Washington state has disallowed ANY use of ANY state land). Many stores, restaurants, etc., are closed. They have had to hustle to find places to stay. And they have found that as travelers they have at times definitely NOT felt welcomed when they arrive somewhere new; people are cautious and suspicious of people "from away" bringing in the virus. For now they are hunkered down on unattractive BLM recreation land, surrounded by ATV and dirt bikers (which is not their "back to nature" thing). Some areas of the country are not allowing "outsiders" even to enter. And all these situations are changing rapidly and unpredictably. So, IMO, this does not seem like the best time to go RV-ing if one has the choice.     
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Re: 6 weeks into "two weeks to flatten curve"
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2020, 08:16:40 pm »
Arrived back in Indiana from Sarasota Florida on Saturday 4/18. Straight up I75 through DT Atlanta, Chattanooga, Nashville, Louisville and Indianapolis. Very little traffic, minor road construction and cheap gas. All gas stations were open and prices were $1.11-$1.59 a gallon. No problem at all finding open campgrounds in the $30-35 range. Travel and camping is possible but there's not much to do until the restrictions are lifted and things begin to get back to normal. Check this website for open campgrounds. https://blog.rvillage.com/rvillage-list-of-open-rv-parks/?_ga=2.267262537.655480405.1586028570-431606661.1542750185
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Re: 6 weeks into "two weeks to flatten curve"
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2020, 10:50:03 pm »
Back in February got all the fluids changed, serpentine belt changed, brakes and tires checked.  I bought new lifeline AGM batteries.  We were ready to go to Florida in March and .......nope.

In Michigan we are home bound probably through May.  If we go anywhere in summer/fall it will be within a days drive from home.  Only stay as long as food lasts.  My fear is getting sick or hurt and being a long way from home in unknown areas.  Wonít feel comfortable until there is a vaccine.

This will delay our travel plans for one year, at least.  We are thankful our family is safe and surviving.

Hang in there!

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Re: 6 weeks into "two weeks to flatten curve"
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2020, 06:30:47 am »
6 weeks into our national "2 weeks to flatten the curve", I'm about to say to heck with it and hit the road.  This stupid thing already cost me an Alaska cruise.  Now it's cutting into my RV time!

WOW.  There are people that still want to go on cruises?!?!   :beg  We abandoned those floating petri dishes several years ago... and now?!? It would have to be a large payout to get me on one, much less PAY for one!!!  roflol


I do think of the full timers in RV's. Must be insane. We do send a prayer up for their relief. But for those people that rely on campgrounds, and there being a shortage of same at the moment, it seems very self centered to leave a good house 'just for cheap gas and to do something interesting' while knowing others may be left without a spot to park.

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Re: 6 weeks into "two weeks to flatten curve"
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2020, 08:28:02 am »
I think the height of selfishness is hiding behind your horded supply of TP, for fear of something that's killed fewer people than last year's flu -- just because you're so rich you can afford to.

Meanwhile, millions have lost everything.

I've got news folks -- nobody gets out of here alive.  Life has a 100% death rate.  There's a 1 in 500 chance you'll drop dead from a heart attack today, right in the middle of your Netflix binge.  But as of this morning, the odds of dying from the latest bat disease is only about 1 in 10,000 (unless you live in that giant bat colony we call New York City).

If we ever want things to be normal again, somebody is going to have to be brave enough to start acting like it's normal again. At the rate we're going, there won't be any campgrounds to visit this time next year.  Or motorhome companies, either, for that matter.

But I'm a selfish rich retiree, so I guess I'll just keep waiting for someone to call "all clear".  Sorry I brought it up.  I guess I'm a little grouchy after yesterday's "Breaking Bad" episode, where they crunched up that vintage 80's Bounder.

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Re: 6 weeks into "two weeks to flatten curve"
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2020, 09:17:45 am »
We are full time and on the road. We were volunteering in South Texas until everything shut down. They shut down to reduce risk to their staff. Rangers and law enforcement have to enforce rules, restrictions and do search and rescues if people are on their land. Every contact puts them at risk.

The wildlife refuge let us stay in their campground after shut down but we left for several reasons: 1) our next gig is in North Cascades in Washington State which was 2500+ miles away. We want to be closer for when they do call us in -maybe maintenance instead of visitor services since VCs are high risk. 2) deep South Texas is running over 100 degrees. I almost passed out just sitting outside in the evening. Our AC couldn't keep up, their electric system couldn't handle the load of all the AC units & started tripping and started melting our power cord. 3) A fellow volunteer/solo full-timer, high risk person asked to travel north with us to her safe volunteer spot on the coast. She was afraid to travel alone in case she broke down or got sick. (We'd be on foster duty for her dog and cat and rig - not in our plans).

The companion has a 200 mile per day limit and needs a rest day after every four drive days so we are running much slower than we'd like. We've stayed at a Cracker Barrel, several Walmarts, several rest areas, one Harvest Host site and a couple of private campgrounds.

Texas was mixed. Outside San Antonio few wore masks to shop, some social chatting on sidewalks, lots of cars driving around and some restaurants open for dine in service. New Mexico was mixed. At least some private campgrounds open. Apparently had 25% occupancy limit for a bit but rescinded it. Navajo Nation closed to visitors. This is the ONLY area we saw nearly full compliance with masks, sanitizing, social distancing. Casino parking lots gated and barricaded.  SE Utah closed to visitors. Rumor has it locals are running out people they find stealth camping and playing in the area (KOA owner in Green River told us). No one in SE Utah allowed to rent hotel room, campsite etc. to non-essential personnel. BLM land has big signs "no camping". KOA was on major highway and allowed to rent one nite only. $$$$ We took it.

Tried to get into campground or Harvest Host site along I-84 in Idaho but all say no so far (one giving lengthy lecture as bonus). I read their orders (highly recommend any travelers do same for states traveling through - know before you go.) Idaho restrictions specific to residents only. Travelers have to self-quarantine 14 days after entering the state OR for as long as they are there if less than 14 days. We'll be at Wal-Mart or rest area for our one night and plan to stay quarantined in our PC bubble. We have a sign for our rig window that says "Passing Through on way to volunteer job in North Cascades, Washington State. Isolating in rig."

Oregon pretty much all closed so another rest area there. Washington state included campgrounds as essential services on last stay-at-home order so we should be OK for that last leg. If we can't get into our volunteer spot we'll find a nearby campground and hunker down.

Safe Traveling - 1) our masks are at hand and go on before we exit the rig where other humans are. We have a spray bottle of Lysol that hits everything John needs to touch when getting gas. We can't wait the six minute cootie kill time so he uses a napkin (quickly soaked in Lysol) to grip with. He washes hands immediately when done. It's eating up his hands but we have lotion for recovery. 2) masks are washed with soap after exposure to other people and dried before reuse. We have bandanas and hair bands as backup masks (CDC website instructions). 3) we stocked up on food before departure to avoid shopping along the way 4) We pay over the phone when booking sites, pick up paperwork/receipt from box on way in, wash hands. Sanitize hookups before & after. Needed to do laundry at KOA so did the before and after sanitizing there also. We picked up a few fresh foods along the way - masks, distancing, washed hands 5) We try to walk about at rest areas & campgrounds but avoid people and wear masks. 6) We would have done a hard run for a much shorter trip if alone. Less nights, less stops, less risk.

We aren't paranoid but we are cautious. Self quarantine is great but the minute someone goes out for food, doctor appointments, laundry, etc. you're back to possible exposure and possible infection that will be shared with the household before you know you have it. That doesn't mean throw all caution to the wind and go for it. It just means take steps to limit exposure to yourself and others.

I agree it is not time for recreational travel.




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Re: 6 weeks into "two weeks to flatten curve"
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2020, 09:24:37 am »
Blue, your on it, in California Stanford university did a study in Silicon Valley and found  the people who had it 55 times what was originally thought. Of course the death rate had not changed showing this is on par with the flu at about one tenth of a percent death rate. Hospitals are going broke across the country because they had to cancel elective procedures and the hospitals sit empty.  They tell us how weíve been saved by social distancing but thereís no actual way to know how much it helps with no way of tracking it.

Iíve got friends that just had to go get tested and couldnít seem to grasp itís not predictive. Testing negative today tells you nothing of tomorrow. I heard the other day the common denominator of those dying in New York was obesity. If anyone has diabetes and gets the virus the virus is claimed as the sole reason. Itís always been that way however when it comes to playing with stats. When my Father had brain cancer and they told us he had a week, maybe two he caught pneumonia and on his death certificate the cause of death was pneumonia.   

In the mean time unemploymentís at Iím guessing over 20 percent, we have 2 friends whoíve lost their business and will never reopen and Iím betting the list of places that donít make it back will be staggering .


Some say we have to wait for a vaccine . Are they all nuts, we donít have a cure for the common cold or any other form of flu but now we should destroy the greatest country while we wait.

And how the heck is that the Bill of rights is ignored. I wonder what rights were going to lose by the time they get done.

This is so Sad, so very Sad.

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Re: 6 weeks into "two weeks to flatten curve"
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2020, 09:30:26 am »
For those needing to travel Campendium.com is attempting to track open/closed campgrounds (as well as RVillage listed above). You can click to exclude temporary closures. If nothing else, it is an interesting browse while staying home. Search in Oregon then turn on the excusion... All gone. A few rest areas and dump stations. We'll be at one of those "P" flags in two days. Not sure if Walmarts there are restricting.

Note: if traveling, check each state's DOT list of rest areas. Some are associated with state parks and are closed. Some in New Mexico are closed (funding?) One we planned to stay at showed open until I mapped it on my phone which flagged it permanently closed. No indication online or road until final sign that said closed. Entrance had been barricaded but, people being... people, some barrels had been moved and trucks, cars & rv's were up in there. We passed and stayed at Wal-Mart down the road. We have a plan b and plan c for each day's drive.
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Re: 6 weeks into "two weeks to flatten curve"
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2020, 10:05:00 am »
This lock down is like prohibition, good on paper, horrible in reality.  An estimated 88,000 people die every year from alcohol related incidents.    We tried prohibition to lower that number and created a whole new industry....bootlegging and the lawlessness that came with it.   It did not take that long to see what a failure it was.

Same with lock downs... Nice idea on paper... Horrendous idea in reity.  All kinds of crime has increased including murders and suicides.  Burglaries, fraud, thefts are all also up.

End of lecture, we are adults, we know how to stay away from others if we're sick.  To be respectful of other people's fears.

The number one cause of death is being alive.  I try to make the most of my alive time while being respectful of others.
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Re: 6 weeks into "two weeks to flatten curve"
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2020, 10:20:00 am »
We live in suburb of Detroit.  Detroit hit hard.  That has spread to our communities.  It is scary because hundred die every day in Michigan and 28 just yesterday in our county.  We could not survive without a lockdown.  Mayor of Detroit has done an outstanding job managing the infection/death rate.  He did it through testing, treating and lockdown.  Others in areas not hit as hard can open up at there own risk. 

Listening to doctors and infection professionals is critical to get through this. 

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Re: 6 weeks into "two weeks to flatten curve"
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2020, 12:58:12 pm »
With the  rain over and spring here I see little risk in going hiking in  the forest . The CA state parks are all closed, but 2 of our favorite private campgrounds with easy access to the redwoods are still open. We don't have a  toad,  and I wouldn't use Uber now. But since  everything's closed now anyway that wouldn't be   a problem.

When we stay in parks with hookups  I won't be connecting the slinky and keeping the gray water dump valve open like before.
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Re: 6 weeks into "two weeks to flatten curve"
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2020, 03:41:57 pm »
6 weeks into our national "2 weeks to flatten the curve", I'm about to say to heck with it and hit the road.  This stupid thing already cost me an Alaska cruise.  Now it's cutting into my RV time!

WOW.  There are people that still want to go on cruises?!?!   :beg  We abandoned those floating petri dishes several years ago... and now?!? It would have to be a large payout to get me on one, much less PAY for one!!!  roflol


I do think of the full timers in RV's. Must be insane. We do send a prayer up for their relief. But for those people that rely on campgrounds, and there being a shortage of same at the moment, it seems very self centered to leave a good house 'just for cheap gas and to do something interesting' while knowing others may be left without a spot to park.
As 28 year Escapees, we hurt for those stuck on the road trying to find semi permanent parking.  We also understand those whose travel plans in their later years have been severely disrupted. 
We donít hear anyone addressing the obvious issue...why are masks not required to be worn by everyone?  If their only purpose according to the CDC and the Surgeon General of the United States is to prevent spread of the Covid 19, and other countries mandate this as actual law...what the heck is going on in this country?  We live just outside the Bay Area where five counties including San Mateo, Santa Clara and SanFrancisco have face mask mandates....yet most California counties donít. 
This whole scenario just doesnít make sense...how serious is this problem if weíre not REQUIRED to wear masks when you leave your residence?
In addition, California Hospitals are laying off nurses and doctors and our Governor is sending ventilators and other nurses and doctors to New York to assist their medical professionals....all while we deal with this continued lockdown..hmmmm.

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Re: 6 weeks into "two weeks to flatten curve"
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2020, 04:13:39 pm »
Never thought I'd ever live to see the day when my hands soaked up more alcohol than my liver!
Be safe and healthy out there.