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2017 2910T Dinette Leaking From Rain

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2017 2910T Dinette Leaking From Rain
« on: December 01, 2019, 06:35:15 pm »
Very frustrated with a leaky dinette slide on my 2017 2910T. I've made several attempts to caulk where I suspected it may be leaking, but a very heavy rain storm during our 2019 Thanksgiving trip revealed that I still have a leak. Came back in the evening to a wet cupboard which was running down the wall to the dinette cushions. I hate getting water in my RV! Unless someone has a good suggestion, I will pull out the caulking gun and go to town once more. If it was up to me, I'd be ordering a new Lazy Daze RV with no slides, just need to convince the wife. 
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Re: 2017 2910T Dinette Leaking From Rain
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2019, 09:34:48 pm »
I am sorry you are dealing with water infiltration with your dinette slide out.  That has to be a BIG PAIN.

Quote from: dshaffer on December 01, 2019, 06:35:15 pm
If it was up to me, I'd be ordering a new Lazy Daze RV with no slides, just need to convince the wife.
Or do what we did in 2007 and order your PC with NO slide outs.  CLICK HERE to see our slide-less PC-2350.  2910T you can't avoid having a rear slide out.  You just need to ask Phoenix to make you a floor plan not made in a while.  Model 2950 of yester-year has a rear twin bed bedroom with no rear slide out.  Ask Phoenix if they can extend it a tad or adjust the rest to make you a walk-around queen bed version.

A radically adjusted 2910T with no slide-outs would weigh roughly 1800 pounds less and cost roughly $21,000 less.  That would provide lots of margin for "weight" concerns, and $21k to cover residual custom costs with leftover funds for upgrades you would otherwise not consider.  Or just bank the savings.  The extra wall space will make for a much more comfortable dinette, a much wider couch-bed conversion to sleep in the other direction, and significantly larger over-head cabinets like we have (examine my pictures closely).

I always thought it would be interesting to have a queen-size captain's bed turned sideways against the rear wall.  Have button-latched drawers facing forward and a full width outdoor storage compartment behind them with access from both sides.  Yes, the person against the rear wall would have to climb over the forward person, but it would be much easier compared to our limited access 2350 bed.  That 1800 pound margin would be well utilized with a nice full width rear storage compartment and extra large over-head cabinetry in the living area.
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Re: 2017 2910T Dinette Leaking From Rain
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2019, 08:00:48 am »
DSaffer, does your slide leak when it's in or out?
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Re: 2017 2910T Dinette Leaking From Rain
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2019, 09:44:12 am »
""Unless someone has a good suggestion, I will pull out the caulking gun and go to town once more""

I have one - diagnose where it is leaking before caulking. They can be tricky. 

My 'upper marker light' leak turned out to be holes around the windshield. The dealer had even replaced the light.

The 'leak around the door gasket' turned out to be the water going behind the trim strip outside (between the wall and lower valence) that led inside onto the floor, and down to the door step.  Looked exactly like a door gasket leak. Found it when washing the rig, and noticing that water was going behind the trim faster than it came out... :beg 

MUCH to my dismay, the 'same leak' as the first appeared again! Dripping from the front corners of the headliner.  >(  But it wasnt  the windshield, still tight. VERY intermittent, but the water coming off the edge of the headliner AGAIN was distressing.  I finally found it was from the seam between the cap and the body, and ONLY leaks when the coach is off level, right side high. Even a heavy dew will wet it then, as the water does not drop off but follows the cap 'down and around' to the top of the seam, and leaks in. Took a few months to find, only diagnosed it when I realized that it only leaked when parked in that one spot facing east... then the hose told the rest of the story. On the level, it would drip off and not leak even with the hose left running on the roof for 30 min. Parked in the same spot facing west it would not leak. Never leaked when we camped, being that we were level. When I finally realized the ONLY variable was the parked angle of the coach - it was solved.

Diagnosis can be a bi*ch.   But yeah, if the water is coming out of the cabinets in the slide, thats a good place to start. Work with a hose and try to duplicate the leak.  THAT IS PARAMOUNT to getting an effective repair. Maybe deliberately having the camper off level, IE: try with the right side high, facing uphill etc.. will help to determine the source. If it leaks when level, and not when off level, you can use that info to narrow down sources. Start low and work upward, when possible.

Your 2017 does not have the same type of slide as I do in my 2006, so unfortunately I cant be much help in hinting where the issue may be. Hopefully diagnostic 'tricks' help!   2o2

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Re: 2017 2910T Dinette Leaking From Rain
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2019, 10:18:03 am »
We have the same problem with our 2910T, I'm sorry to say. The only solution that works somewhat for us is to put the right side slide in when rain is expected and tilt the chassis over to the left a little. A little water will still trickle in if the rain is heavy or blowing. I have caulked everywhere I can. Even roof coated the top seam under the topper (which doesn't quite completely cover the slide). Our cabinets were soaked in water too. The first time it happened on the 2910T was really a disappointment. I actually was naive enough to think improvements had been made in 17 years to slide outs as our previous MH, which only had one side, leaked in the rain also. Unless it was just a drizzle that slide had to come in also. As with most everything there are compromises so we deal with it and go on.  I still think the PC has more pluses than cons than other models I have had experience with in past years. This is our third year with this PC and other than a few hiccups, nothing major other than the ride side leak from the slide, it has performed satisfactorily especially with the demands from towing a 28" race car trailer around the southeast.  I have just taken the trailer toad off and put it away for the winter and getting out the car dolly for another FT Lauderdale trip to do a little family visiting and RC model flying at the Markham field there. Have a nice day everyone!
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Re: 2017 2910T Dinette Leaking From Rain
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2019, 05:53:50 pm »
I know I'm repeating Ron a bit, but we own a 2018 2552 and chose to have it built without a slide.  No regrets at all -- and I'm the wife.  Benefits: we have a dinette that fits two with plenty of room, a refrigerator with better ventilation than it would have in a slide that worked great on our recent trip through muggy, hot Florida, we have a "real" pocket door, rather than a plastic folding divider, between the living and bedroom areas, and a driver's side bed that's as long as the passenger side bed.  And no leaks. 

We've traveled in our 2552 for 7+ months so far (since March 2018) and have not felt cramped.  Unless you REALLY need a dinette that seats four people, I'm not sure why a slide is needed.
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Re: 2017 2910T Dinette Leaking From Rain
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2019, 08:26:09 pm »
I've had a total of 5 leaks in my 2018, 2400. Bathroom window and patio light both leaked causing water to run down the wall. Water ran into the cab floor through the fire wall causing my shoes and socks to get wet, the cause was wiring run through the fire wall and not sealed. The other 2 leaks were in the slide. My previous 2 motorhomes had slides and never leaked in 420,000 miles. Slides don't leak if they're built right, Phoenix has a history of leaking slides. Grabbing the caulking gun and caulking every crack and cranny, hoping to hit the right spot usually doesn't work, plus it goops up your rv. Check under the slide awning, it may need to be removed to find and repair the leak, mine did. I've spent approximately 2000 dollars fixing leaks on my 1.5 year old PC and that doesn't include the warranty work the factory did. If you have the real wood floor, keep it dry or it will buckle, I THINK mine is ok. I ran a day of steady ran 2 wks ago and all was dry.

 
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Re: 2017 2910T Dinette Leaking From Rain
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2019, 12:00:36 am »
Reading through some of the replies got me thinking if the 2 or 3 year old water infiltration problem is what dshaffer and GHS are experiencing.  Both of them are getting water in the same place on the right side.

Examine your power awning, specifically where the motor wires pass from the outside to the inside of the rig.  The point of inspection would be in the vertical awning track closest to the passenger van door, located up high.  My memory has become cloudy, but I think there is a rubber grommet where the wires pass through that was either not installed properly, or it pops out of position after so many opens and closes, or you need to caulk the wires to the grommet so zero water rides along the wires through the grommet.  I hope someone with first-hand trouble-shooting experience will chime in and clarify and/or correct me.

It is also possible that my memory is just an old wives' tale.
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Re: 2017 2910T Dinette Leaking From Rain
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2019, 06:43:47 am »
Quote from: rvrunner on December 02, 2019, 08:26:09 pm
I've had a total of 5 leaks in my 2018, 2400. Bathroom window and patio light both leaked causing water to run down the wall. Water ran into the cab floor through the fire wall causing my shoes and socks to get wet, the cause was wiring run through the fire wall and not sealed. The other 2 leaks were in the slide. My previous 2 motorhomes had slides and never leaked in 420,000 miles. Slides don't leak if they're built right, Phoenix has a history of leaking slides. Grabbing the caulking gun and caulking every crack and cranny, hoping to hit the right spot usually doesn't work, plus it goops up your rv. Check under the slide awning, it may need to be removed to find and repair the leak, mine did. I've spent approximately 2000 dollars fixing leaks on my 1.5 year old PC and that doesn't include the warranty work the factory did. If you have the real wood floor, keep it dry or it will buckle, I THINK mine is ok. I ran a day of steady ran 2 wks ago and all was dry.

 :beg  Damn!   That is discouraging. ESPECIALLY that new!!! 

Surely they dont use REAL wood flooring... that would be insane in a RV in my thinking.... Do they?!?!

 The LifeProof vinyl flooring is waterproof. I had a piece outside for over a year, and the sun faded the top slightly. NO degradation in the structure.  2o2  One cooler leak from me not tightening the drain all the way resulted in a soaked towel and a puddle that was creeping out and down the steps after day 2...when we corrected it. No damage to the flooring, and no warping seen from the subfloor.

Nary a slide leak. <knocks on wood repeatedly...>

We have the old Lippert slide that has the diagonal bars when extended. Maybe we got lucky, but it seems that it is a decent design. The beginning of November we had it extended through a storm that dumped ~2 inches of rain, and winds howling. I was out at 4am making sure the side tent was OK, It needed a bit of help, but not a drip leaked in from the slide.  I have hose tested it also, even running water on it when washing the roof area under the cover. No drips.

Anyone know when they switched to the present design slide?  We have had one friend buy a used 2005 2350 from our frequent praises of ours. I want to avoid referring someone to a later one with a leaky slide.  (exactly)
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Re: 2017 2910T Dinette Leaking From Rain
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2019, 11:32:24 pm »
Thank you all for replying. I appreciate the advice on what to look for, I'll spend some time looking at it when I get a chance. It is disappointing that I'm hearing PC's slide tend to leak. I'm thinking of the times I've spent in tents in down pours and never got wet, but my very expensive RV leaks!
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Re: 2017 2910T Dinette Leaking From Rain
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2019, 06:27:53 am »
Volkemon, our 2016 has the old style slide with the diagonal support bars. We have not experienced any slide related leak issues.


  I think 2017 was the first year of the new design.  There were some leak issues on some units early on with the 2017 design.  Phoenix had to make some changes to correct the problem.  I don’t recall what the factory fix required.
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Re: 2017 2910T Dinette Leaking From Rain
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2019, 11:35:28 am »
Quote from: fandj on December 05, 2019, 06:27:53 am
Volkemon, our 2016 has the old style slide with the diagonal support bars. We have not experienced any slide related leak issues.


  I think 2017 was the first year of the new design.  There were some leak issues on some units early on with the 2017 design.  Phoenix had to make some changes to correct the problem.  I don’t recall what the factory fix required.

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Re: 2017 2910T Dinette Leaking From Rain
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2019, 08:59:58 pm »
Quote from: fandj on December 05, 2019, 06:27:53 am
I think 2017 was the first year of the new design.  There were some leak issues on some units early on with the 2017 design.  Phoenix had to make some changes to correct the problem.  I don’t recall what the factory fix required.
I think the fix was related to a full length gasket up top, but hopefully someone who lived through the fix will provide facts.  One thing certain, Phoenix was very determined to make it right for people with trouble, and get it right for future builds.
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Re: 2017 2910T Dinette Leaking From Rain
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2019, 07:07:13 am »
If "diagonal bar" means the scissor arms (big x when you view closed slide from the inside), then I know the fix.

First the engineering: the slide room has a shallow lip (under an inch?) on the house side which is supposed to work like a dam... It's more of a speed bump and not good at slowing things down either. The floor of the slide is angled down and out so water drains out of the rig EXCEPT where those scissor arms are - they need clearance to move so their zone is flat. This works as a little runway for the water... sometimes directing it straight over the inadequate speed bump and into the rig. Our slide was installed correctly... It just wasn't designed well.

The fix(es): Phoenix Wasn't sure where the water was coming in. Since it is usually from above they installed more big, heavy gaskets around the slide. Still leaked.

Then we had a heavy rain and I took video of water bubbling up and into the rig at the front corner of the slide. As soon as Kermit saw the video, he figured out the problem. Phoenix pulled my slide room and spent three days slowly building a wall of caulk over the corner of that inadequate "dam"/" speed bump". They put it all back together and we were good to go.
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