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Ron Dittmer

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Re: Fresh water drain.
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2019, 10:57:44 am »
Our 2007 fresh water tank drain is extremely basic.  Our water jug has the same basic drain.  When draining, I have to position the valve just right for fast draining.

The valve is identical to this one, but it includes a clear extension hose to pass through the floor.
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Re: Fresh water drain.
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2019, 07:41:14 pm »
All good info folks, Thank You!

Ron: The valve on my 2552 is a chrome 1/4 turn ball valve. Looks like maybe a 3/8" plastic line.
I also like the idea of an access cover but that type of tinkering will have to wait till spring. She's all winterized now and will be covered soon. :beg
May open it up for a winter get away trip some time after the holidays.

This work stuff really cramps our style.  pyho

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Re: Fresh water drain.
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2019, 08:37:26 pm »
Jim what are you using for a cover for your 2552. I have the same problem with the slow drain and I am having it checked out at Campers Inn because I thought the valve may be broken. When we first took delivery in August it was leaking and they tightened it so I was thinking they turned it so hard they broke it.
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Re: Fresh water drain.
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2019, 10:35:17 am »
Ron: The valve on my 2552 is a chrome 1/4 turn ball valve. Looks like maybe a 3/8" plastic line.
It sounds like Phoenix upgraded that drain valve over the years.

Our cheap water jug valve continues to do a very good job, but some day if I need to replace it, I will surely consider a quality ball valve, and maybe the 6" deck plate as well.
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Re: Fresh water drain.
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2019, 09:22:17 pm »
Frank: I ordered this cover a couple of weeks ago: https://www.nationalrvcovers.com/goldline-rv-covers/Class--B--RV/28.html
It is supposed to have shipped today so have not seen it yet.
Looked like a little higher quality than the Adco and Classic covers I have used in the past for my 5th wheel without the super high cost of the CalMark Sunbrella cover. (>$1K)

Will update when I receive it and get a chance to try it on for size.

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Re: Fresh water drain.
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2019, 06:21:51 pm »
Here is why my valve is draining slowly.  Just pulled it apart, and the valve is not a full flow valve so it has a restriction that trapped the millings from the water tank that never got cleaned out. I figured I was so far into the tank that I would change the valve to a full flow valve and check my system for leaks and I am glad I did. On the drivers side; the shore water connection under the bed behind the access panel was leaking which only required tightening by hand, looked like it had dripped for awhile. Under the passenger side bed I found that the large diameter fill line and vent line were leaking at the bulkhead fittings. I purposely overfilled the tank to see if they leaked and they did.  So I just went ahead and replaced the hoses. The reason for replacing the large fill hose was because I felt it leaked because it was corrugated, it said on the hose "smooth bore" but it wasn't. I went to Goodyear Rubber Products and picked up the hose and some really cool new hose clamps, they are called smart seal clamps and these were for the fill line.  The smart seal clamps weren't available for the smaller 3/8" line so I bought some shielded clamps. I changed the small line because it got a little messed up when I removed it from the barb fitting, plus I already had that on-hand.  For the drain valve I went with CPVC which I felt was a good replacement plus full flow. I made sure that I kept a flexible hose between the valve and tank so that it wouldn't be rigidly mounted to the tank which might break the tank at the fitting.  I imagine that is why PC does the same thing. The good news is that it drains like a horse peeing on a flat rock, drained in less that 5 minutes from completely full.

I have a question maybe someone can answer, I am including pictures of a pex fitting that seals to the pump and is also used in several other locations. Can anyone tell me where I can buy a couple of seals and if there is a specific name for the seal? 

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Re: Fresh water drain.
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2019, 07:02:28 pm »
I am going to take a huge *GUESS* and say that extra fitting was used with the Anderson 4 way valve and isn't needed for the 3 way valve.  And I believe 2017 was when they switched.  So your unit was plumbed for the 4 way and that piece wasn't needed anymore.

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Re: Fresh water drain.
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2019, 07:08:05 pm »
Engineerlt: I didn't get as deeply into it as you did. (Thanks for the pics and explanation)
But I did have a chance this past weekend to blow some compressed air into my fresh water tank which still had an inch of water in it after sitting with the valve open all week!
I put the air into the gravity fill line(not too tight a seal) and put my thumb over the air vent to create some pressure in the tank.
It worked! On the ground under the drain I found a small bunch of shavings that got pushed through and the tank starting draining normally.

Sorry no clue on your seal question, but when in doubt, check McMaster.

One other question I came up with while looking at the plumbing under PS bed: there is a section of tubing that goes from the fresh tank to the pump, probably by way of the select-a-valve.
Wondering if or how that water line gets drained during the winterization process.  Only way I could imagine that getting emptied would be to run the pump in the city position till it runs dry and then I can't imagine any way to get antifreeze into it short of putting it in the fresh tank which I would never do.
Had the same setup on my old fifth wheel,  never did anything about it and never had a problem.
Maybe it is made of flexible tubing that is less prone to splitting due to ice?

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Re: Fresh water drain.
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2019, 06:28:30 am »
Nice work there EngineerIt!  That is a lesson for the community.

Regarding the PEX to pump seal, I wish I had your answer.
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Re: Fresh water drain.
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2019, 11:20:26 am »
Where is the water pump located on the 2552? :help

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Re: Fresh water drain.
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2019, 03:48:12 pm »
The water pump is located just aft of the water tank directly inboard of the gas heater/furnace.

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Re: Fresh water drain.
« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2019, 06:40:47 pm »
I have the same problems on my 2017 PC2350 with filling and draining.  Question - when doing both or either, does the dial in the macerator need to be turned toward tank?

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Re: Fresh water drain.
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2019, 08:40:28 am »
Hello CJK
I believe the selector valve needs to turned to the tank position for filling, for draining it doesn't matter.  I also learned that on my 2017 the driver side vent was not connected, so this means that the only overflow vent I have is the one on the passenger side. So if you overflow your tank like I have you will end-up pressurizing your tank and could end-up rupturing your tank.  The rule of thumb with a tank with square corners is 3 psi will distort the tank wall's and 5 psi will rupture the tank. This usually applies to steel tanks but I am sure that the plastic tank can't take full city water pressure.  So if you are filling your water tank and are forgetful like I am, its worth opening the fill cap on the passenger side to help prevent over pressurizing the water tank, along with the small plumbed in vent on the passenger side. Sorry I know you didn't ask just thought I would put in my 2 cents on filling the water tank. Also on the drivers side the place where the vent should be connected was open to the interior of the coach so I filled the vent hole with some silicone just to help keep out the bugs etc.

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Re: Fresh water drain.
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2020, 08:30:03 am »
Just winterized my 2552. (for now)
While I had no problem finding and operating the fresh water tank drain under the PS bed, I am amazed at how slowly it drained.
I'm talking 3 hours later and still not done. Was only half full. Just a little more than a trickle.
Even used a low pressure air nozzle to blow back into the tank thinking there is some debris blocking the outlet. No change.

Wondering if others have experienced similar slow drain. Seems like something is amiss to me.

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Today with the approval of PC Campers Inn is installing a well-sealed removal top cap to get inside the fresh water tank to clean out the plastic pieces inside of my tank, I have not been able to drain the fresh water through the drain since I have had my 2552.
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Re: Fresh water drain.
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2020, 08:23:56 am »
Hello
So they are installing a access into the top of your water tank. I see an issue with this idea; when you are filling your fresh water tank and accidentally forget and over fill the tank it is likely to leak from the access. The way the tank is currently without an access bows outward when overfilled due to pressure as the vent line is considerably undersized for the volume of water entering. When the tank starts to distort due to the increase in internal pressure the access will not expand at the same rate and will leak. I have been in the marine industry for 38 years and its not a good idea to try and add an access to a plastic tank.  It would be better if they just pulled the fittings out and looked inside the tank and flushed it out.

I would suggest if they do install this access that when filling you ensure that the boondocking water fill cap on the passenger side is removed to prevent a build-up of pressure on the water tank if you happen to overfill it.
Just a thought and please attach a picture of the new access, curious to see what they actually install.