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Generator Problem
« on: August 30, 2019, 09:13:09 pm »
I got my 2017 Phoenix Cruiser 2552 in March of this year. I have run the generator each month since then without a problem. Two weeks ago before I left on a trip, my DH checked the battery and added a little distilled water as well as cleaning all the battery posts, checking tires, etc. When I left the next morning, I was going to run the generator under a load for the monthly exercise. It wouldn't start. The same thing happened when I was on the way home. It did not turn over or start and the light on the switch did not come on nor did any codes show up.  Two days ago, I drove out to storage to try it again. Although I had turned the house batteries off when I took the RV the to storage, the house batteries were dead.           

Any idea of what could be wrong? I wondered if DH might have hooked batteries up wrong so would appreciate a picture of how they should be hooked up. Could that have affected the generator? 

I hate to take it into the shop if it is some minor thing that I could correct. DH rarely does anything on my RV so if I complain, it may be the last time he helps out. 
                                             

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Re: Generator Problem
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2019, 01:13:49 am »
If you could post a picture of what you have today regarding your battery-hookup, that would help a lot.

The wiring is different if you have two 6V batteries or two 12V batteries.  That might be the source of possible confusion.  Another potential error your hubby could have made is that PCs often have pairs of red and black battery cables.  The same-color cables need to share the battery terminal, red to "+" and black to "-".
« Last Edit: August 31, 2019, 01:16:51 am by Ron Dittmer »
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Re: Generator Problem
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2019, 09:19:25 am »
This is how the batteries should look:

« Last Edit: August 31, 2019, 09:21:37 am by donc13 »
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Re: Generator Problem
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2019, 10:30:45 am »
Thanks so much. I will drive out to my storage place today and compare.

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Re: Generator Problem
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2019, 11:55:57 am »
Before you change anything, are you using 2 6v batteries in series or 2 - 12v batteries in parallel?

Have you actually checked battery voltage before storage with a digital voltmeter?

There are a few things that still draw power with main switch off but not enough to make them go dead that quickly.

If there are not any bad components do you know if you start your RV that it will charge the batteries faster than the generator? Monitor the battery voltage. It should jump up to about 13.2 volts as soon as you start the engine.

If you are using the generator and not 120v power plug to charge it takes hours to charge the batteries.



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Re: Generator Problem
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2019, 04:34:39 pm »

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Re: Generator Problem
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2019, 05:06:01 pm »
Those batteries are in series, so 6V batteries.
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2019, 10:48:58 pm »
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOI0xWPusLugx3cLSt9juxa57r6YfD2oKiXXgB0H16TQRxYE4pnNE441poTX52TqA/photo/AF1QipNJdTtma-ltyWasLu2tXMcR2S9d8HsyM3_5Mo7d?key=ZzExcmJ5bHQ5V2RZaVNmUDcwMFJyem16QXllX3l3

This is a photo of my current battery set-up.  To me, it looks just like the picture from donc13.


That is correct, they are 2 6v batteries properly wired in your photo.

I don't know what the extra red and black wires that are cable tied to the heavy battery wires are.

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Re: Generator Problem
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2019, 07:34:40 am »
You have two 6V GC2 batteries wired in series.  The Battery connections look perfect to me.  Rule out that as a possible culprit.
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Re: Generator Problem
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2019, 01:59:26 pm »
So I guess that means that the batteries could have just failed? I have a solar panel so do you think maybe the extra wires could be for it?  The RV is stored under a roof.   

As far as charging it as suggested above, the generator wouldn't start which is where this all started so I definitely won't be using it for charging. I guess I will need to bring it back to the house and put the batteries on a charger.

I may need two new batteries. If these either hold a charge or end up being replaced, could the battery problem be why the generator wouldn't start? The light on the switch didn't come on, there were no codes showing, and it didn't turn over.  My DH had me start the engine and try the generator. He said he heard it turn over once but didn't start and nothing lit up or showed codes.

One other question, are these the right kind of batteries for my set up?
Thanks for the help.

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Re: Generator Problem
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2019, 03:20:22 pm »
So I guess that means that the batteries could have just failed? I have a solar panel so do you think maybe the extra wires could be for it?  The RV is stored under a roof.   

As far as charging it as suggested above, the generator wouldn't start which is where this all started so I definitely won't be using it for charging. I guess I will need to bring it back to the house and put the batteries on a charger.

I may need two new batteries. If these either hold a charge or end up being replaced, could the battery problem be why the generator wouldn't start? The light on the switch didn't come on, there were no codes showing, and it didn't turn over.  My DH had me start the engine and try the generator. He said he heard it turn over once but didn't start and nothing lit up or showed codes.

One other question, are these the right kind of batteries for my set up?
Thanks for the help.



Start the engine, wait about 10 minutes.  Then try to start the generator.     Normally, the coach batteries are what are used to start the generator.   The fact that the generator panel doesn't light means no coach power.

After the engine runs for a few minutes, there should be enough power to at least turn over the generator.   

Yes, two 6v deep cycle (golf cart) batteries are proper for your PC.    The flooded cell lead-acid provide the most power but also require the most maintenance and can corrode the posts and wires.  Maintenance free (AGM) batteries cost more, but require no maintenance and near the the same amount of power.   

Yes, charge the batteries.... A 12v charger is fine, positive to the front left terminal where the battery heavy red cable is and the negative terminal of the charger to the back right side terminal where the heavy black battery cables are attached.

Once they are charged, your generator should start.

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Re: Generator Problem
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2019, 05:08:29 pm »
Thank you so much. I will head out to storage tomorrow and try your suggestions.

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Re: Generator Problem
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2019, 03:24:41 pm »
RV showed 13.4 on the Inverter when I got to storage. Drove RV home 10 miles so some additional charge. Light came on generator button when I tried to start. Didn't start and light went out. Tried to turn on water pump and light but got nothing. Seems like there is a disconnect between battery and power getting to anything in coach.

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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2019, 04:57:30 pm »
RV showed 13.4 on the Inverter when I got to storage. Drove RV home 10 miles so some additional charge. Light came on generator button when I tried to start. Didn't start and light went out. Tried to turn on water pump and light but got nothing. Seems like there is a disconnect between battery and power getting to anything in coach.

The 13.4v on the inverter was when the engine was running.. Correct?

I didn't say 10 minutes charge would allow you to start the generator, I said it should try to start it, the fact that the red light came on was "proof" your coach battery's state of charge was quite low.

Presuming you have water in your fresh water tank, very low voltage would cause light to come on but not enough power to actually run the pump.

Charge your coach batteries as fully as you can... You should be able to start generator.

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Re: Generator Problem
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2019, 06:51:03 pm »
The 13.4 was without the engine running. We are charging the battery now.