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Re: LIQUID SPRINGS
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2019, 01:07:35 pm »
Ashby
Cat scales are certified so they should read accurately.  The LS only add less than 400 lbs according to vender. The extra foot on your 2552 canít be more than 100-200 lbs, if that. I donít see why your PC is so heavy. Never seen a PC over loaded in front. Some of the LS weigh will go to front but not likely that much.

I suggest you try to get PC weighed on each wheel to see the weight distribution. That might provide a clue.  Also post a topic in this forum asking anyone else with a stretched 2552 if they could share their weight information. Also you could search this forum for other stretch owners and private message them from this forum to get weight or their input.

Keep us posted on your findings. 

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Re: LIQUID SPRINGS
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2019, 03:08:28 pm »
Having had both a 2551 and a 3100 I found the E-450 (especially the longer wheel based 3100) to be a very decent handling chassis.  With that said I always had concerns about being over weight, having weighed the rig a couple of times I found both axles to be very close to max.  I just do not understand why nanafacturers including PC do not bite the bullet and move up to the F series chassis  and eliminate the worry on the larger coach models?  The weight issue was the driving reason why I moved up to the Freightliner M2HD chassis, no worries now. 
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Re: LIQUID SPRINGS
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2019, 05:51:35 pm »
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Re: LIQUID SPRINGS
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2019, 06:28:18 pm »
I looked long and hard at this system -
https://kelderman.com - as it seems far less intrusive than Liquid Springs and is highly recommended by others.  I passed as I thought the $3,500 cost was too much but feel Kelderman is a REAL BARGAIN compared to LS.

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Re: LIQUID SPRINGS
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2019, 09:58:02 am »
Iíd suggest looking long and hard at Surlastic shackles to improve the ride.
http://sulastic.com/truck-shackle-suspension-sa-01
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Re: LIQUID SPRINGS
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2019, 11:26:27 am »
I looked long and hard at this system -
https://kelderman.com - as it seems far less intrusive than Liquid Springs and is highly recommended by others.  I passed as I thought the $3,500 cost was too much but feel Kelderman is a REAL BARGAIN compared to LS.

Looks like 2011 and up E350/450 only, earlier show no matches.  Darn it.  pyho
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Re: LIQUID SPRINGS
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2019, 01:14:02 pm »
Iíd suggest looking long and hard at Surlastic shackles to improve the ride.
http://sulastic.com/truck-shackle-suspension-sa-01

Very interesting, especially at this price point. Do you happen to know anyone who has installed these on a motorhome?

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Re: LIQUID SPRINGS
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2019, 12:49:35 pm »
Regarding the sulastic; from reading other forums a lot depends on weight. Once you get to a certain weight they act like normal shackles.
In the case of the motor home youíd need to know your loaded weight and discuss with the manufacture.
They list them for the 450 but not all motor homes weigh the same. It would be a shame to install them and find as soon
as your loaded they lose the spring load and revert to standard shackles.

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Re: LIQUID SPRINGS
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2019, 09:41:32 am »
I have the same concerns, but, my search didnít turn up any motorhome first person experience. There was some chatter on the old Sportsmobile forum concerning use on their B's, nothing on heavy C's, or the F53 Ford chassis. The Sulastic site does indicate several different models, including one specifically for the E450 motorhome.
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Re: LIQUID SPRINGS
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2019, 12:26:06 pm »
I would be very suspicious of "rubber" shackles because as they age, the rubber will become brittle and crack.   I have yet to see any "rubber" part on any vehicle that doesn't start to crack and become brittle after being exposed to conditions on the underside of a vehicle for 5 years or more.  Yes, I realize the arms are metal, but the shock adsorption part is rubber (natural or synthetic, doesn't matter).

Of course, at that price point, you could change them out every couple of years.

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Re: LIQUID SPRINGS
« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2019, 01:46:59 pm »


Just remember the old adage, "You get what you pay for."

....and its corollary, The more they pay, the more they think they get.  :lol  I have found that the more people pay for things, the more likely they are to find improvement. If someone spent $400 to improve their ride, they would be looking for an improvement, and will find one from their 'butt sensor'. But not a big one. Powder coat them red,  put a lifetime warranty on them and charge $1500, people will report that those improve the ride more than the plain black ones.  (nod)  That has been my experience in the automotive/truck and golf cart aftermarket.

We used to ALWAYS do one trick anytime we did engine or brake work - move the operators seat ~1/2 - 3/4 inch forward. The operator now feels that brake pedal response is MUCH better, car pulls harder, engine is 'snappier'.... after we install a chrome dress up kit and paint the calipers red.  roflol  Engine air intake makes it noisier in the cabin! Must be all that HORSEPOWERRRRR!

Sure, scientific devices mounted to the leaf spring show improvement. And who rides on the leaf springs??  :cool  Lets see those same measurements up at the operator station.. bet we lose a lot of those dramatic numbers.   

(its why I have waited to find a dyno before flashing my chip - I want to see objective results. I have givin up, and might install it anyway. Guess dyno testing motor homes is not a thing around here. Will I see improvement? I sure will be looking hard, as it cost $400. I would like to have the 'hard numbers' from a dyno, put them aside, drive it and see what the 'butt dyno' says. Then read the sheet and see how close I was to the measurements. Keeps me 'honest' to myself, and offsets the influence the wallet has. )


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Re: LIQUID SPRINGS
« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2019, 11:56:16 am »
Volkswagen, I know this is off topic but what chip are you referring to? I installed the 5 star last year and did it mid trip so there would not be any what memory serves issues. I have no clue if it adds any HP but I know with out question itís worth every penny (to me at least) for the change in shifting points. Typically when going over mountains or even hills it would down shift at the first part of incline and wouldnít shift back up after the crest till I was well beyond the crest. Now it shifts back immediately and itís only the really long steep grades like Vail and Breckinridge Colorado that it ever jumps to 4500 + rpm.  I was ready to bite the bullet and spend money I hated the thought of to buy a DP. Thatís no longer an issue 90% of the time as its now a pleasure to drive.  However those that say there is a increase in power canít prove it by me. Maybe there is maybe there isnít but there is a wonderful increase in driving pleasure!

I paid 450 by going thru IRV2 with overnight shipping to a campground while driving thru Colorado. I wanted to test it in real world going through the mountains.

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Re: LIQUID SPRINGS
« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2019, 01:47:08 pm »
I know... off topic again. I wander around topics like an old dog looking for his poop place.  roflol

I also bought the 5star, $400 for open box. I am VERY happy to hear of the shifting improvement. Even here in 'FLATida' on interstate 75's rolling hills it was nearly impossible to keep it in cruise. It would bog, then downshift 2 gears and wind up to 4K+. Off cruise, i could work the throttle to keep it shifting 'right'.  I would almost have spent the cash just for trans improvements. The torque and HP increase are welcome, but very difficult to judge from the seat, especially when the shift points are altered! I really prefer changing only one variable at a time, but not an option.

ON topic... boy I wish that Air ride conversion was available for my 2006. WELL proven system. 
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