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Re: New Models
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2018, 07:51:25 pm »
We started with a ‘95 QD.  loved that one the most. 19 feet and the tiniest 5 cylinder engine that was a real workhorse. Great in the snow.  Then an ‘05 QD that was attacked and totaled by a little red car hit and run.  The next one was an ‘05 QD which was really nice.  Kept that til we got our ‘14 PC.    Sure do like it a lot!
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Re: New Models
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2018, 10:59:01 pm »
I saw the Transit 2100 when I picked my PC up in April, it was not finished. I remember talking to Earl several years ago and he talked about how they were building a 2100 on the Transit so it's been a long project. I'm sure the new owners had idea's and people in mind to help with new designs. New floor plans shouldn't over load the factory unless they sell like hot cakes.
 I looked at Lazy Daze before I bought a PC, you have to wait a year to get one. I said can't you hire more workers to speed up production, they said yes we could but we'd lose our quality.

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Ron Dittmer

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Re: New Models
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2018, 03:45:09 am »
Quote from: CalCruiser on August 15, 2018, 06:49:39 pm
I have seen pictures of a similar Carri-Go with an actual bed
Years ago, I found an early PC for sale on the web with a bed in the B+ cap.  I saved the picture.  I think with refinement, it could be an attractive option.  Like you had mentioned, the roof of the Ford cab was not cut of which I liked for roll-over protection.  Not only as an extra bed for a shorter person like a grand child for example, this would provide a lot of open bulk storage for a person who needs it badly.  Or like your old CRT TV set had with deep cabinets.  With Phoenix's production flexibility, I would imagine they can do this upon request today.

I wonder if the upper cab bed could accommodate a 2nd person if Phoenix creatively fabricated a fold-out bed extension out into the room.  With the seat belted dinette for 4 and a bolt-down chair with seat belt on the side as shown, you also have seating capacity for movement and dining.  That would attract young families.
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Re: New Models
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2018, 11:17:25 am »
The GVWR for the Transit is even less than the Sprinter, but having an existing  wide body design to work with allows Phoenix USA to build a right-sized Transit  without the need for a heavy and expensive slide out  or a huge investment in an all-new platform. Just paint it a solid metallic color and don't call it a 2100 !! 



The current OCC on the Winnebago Fuse on the Transit chassis is at 1200 pounds +/-.  It started at 1500 pounds two years ago, but as designs and options changed
it was reduced. Recently with the added compressor fridge and the 200 amp solar system.  The two models both have slides.  The LTV Wonder is down to around 900 pounds OCC, no slide. Its on the 176" WB and a foot longer then the Fuse.

Be neat to see PC try one with the 2551 floor plan which the Fuse 23A has mirrored.  Might be just to heavy?

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Re: New Models
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2018, 06:01:28 pm »
Quote from: Janey on August 15, 2018, 07:51:25 pm
We started with a ‘95 QD.  loved that one the most. 19 feet and the tiniest 5 cylinder engine that was a real workhorse. Great in the snow.  Then an ‘05 QD that was attacked and totaled by a little red car hit and run.  The next one was an ‘05 QD which was really nice.  Kept that til we got our ‘14 PC.    Sure do like it a lot!
Before stumbling on our first PC sighting at a local RV show in 2/2007, I had the Rialta FD on our list of considerations.  I really wanted an 03-05 for the extra engine power, but the used prices on them in late 2006 were sky high.  I was looking at at bartered-down prices between $53k and $58k.  Then weeks later, determined to get a used PC-2350, I looked nation-wide but had no luck.  We ended buying our new 2007 ordered exactly the way we wanted for just over $67k.  We ended up spending more than we had originally planned, but got just the right rig for us, hopefully to outlast our ability to safely drive it.
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Re: New Models
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2018, 07:07:21 pm »
Ron - count your blessings that you bought a  Phoenix Cruiser instead !!
The Volkswagen Eurovan transaxle was never designed to handle the weight of a motorhome plus the increased horsepower of the VR6, so transmission failure is commonplace , even more so with the  rev-happy 24 valve version.

The Winnebago H body was an outstanding design that was easy to drive, could park in a driveway, got great mpg for it's era, but unfortunately was built on  absolutely terrible  Renault and Volkswagen mechanicals.

If anyone wants to build a contemporary version on a wide body Transit diesel platform just take the HD floorplan, move the wardrobe closet to aft of the coach entry stairwell to make space for a  decent sized dry bathroom and shower stall aft of the galley,  and if necessary keep the small under-stove refrigerator design. And add a pull-out  2nd bed above the cab as Ron suggested.



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Re: New Models
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2018, 11:32:33 am »
CalCruiser,

I agree with you on the decision not to buy a Rialta.  Since getting our PC in 2007, I have read many negative reviews on the VW chassis deficiencies.  The Rialta was a nice rig in concept, but not so much in reality.  And like you say, Winnebago could have made a few floorplan adjustments for the better.  The works-in-a-drawer concept for the airplane-style bathroom was a bit much.

It would be very unfair to compare our 2007-2350 with any Rialta model.  I am so glad to have made the right decision.
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Re: New Models
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2018, 07:08:39 pm »
Quote from: Ron Dittmer on August 15, 2018, 05:47:53 pm
Quote from: CalCruiser on August 14, 2018, 10:15:19 pm
I think Irene and I could painfully fit inside it together and close the door.


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Re: New Models
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2018, 10:22:33 am »
Are there floorplans for the new models? And does anyone know what they are taking to show at the Hershey RV show? PC is one of the two manufacturers I'm going to see.
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Re: New Models
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2018, 11:56:11 pm »
When visiting Phoenix in Elkhart on August 9/10, I was told that the new 2351D with the bed on a slide to the side that was under construction was being built for the Hershey show.  I don't know (didn't ask) what other models they might be taking.  It seem logical that the second new model--the 2100 on a Transit chassis--that debuted at the Elkhart RV show this weekend, might also be going to Hershey.  I don't think they have published floorplans yet; the Transit 2100 was called a "prototype", but I was told that the new 2351D would be added to the order list over the next few weeks.
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Re: New Models
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2018, 06:43:17 am »
Since my quest for a Phoenix Cruiser started, I have seen, heard, and experience nothing but positive.   Even though I am a newbie to Phoenix Cruiser, I do have one comment...I would like to see Phoenix USA, aka The Mother Ship, aka HQ, provide a monthly update on the goings-on "up there".  This would eliminate conjecture and rumors (he said/she said).  My observation is that Phoenix Cruiser owners are, for the most part, experienced RVers who, at least, understand motorhome systems and the basics of RVing.  I venture to say that a monthly update would be welcome by everyone on this list.

Cheers  :)(:

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Re: New Models
« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2018, 08:01:31 am »
I know this site is setup primarily for the benefit of owners and prospective buyers of new and used Phoenix Cruisers to share ideas and non commercial information.  I expect it also provides Phoenix with a general feel as to how their products are being received.


I would also welcome a separate sub forum for Phoenix to provide  any relevant information that they would care to share.  This could include things such as new models coming out, changes to existing models, frequently asked questions from owners and prospective buyers along with company response, changes coming out from component suppliers, general news about the RV industry, etc.  Facts are always better than rumors that all too often spread on the internet. This could be done on a regular basis (preferred) or as warranted.
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Re: New Models
« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2018, 10:20:18 am »
Quote from: mikeh on August 19, 2018, 11:56:11 pm
When visiting Phoenix in Elkhart on August 9/10, I was told that the new 2351D with the bed on a slide to the side that was under construction was being built for the Hershey show. 

I am primarily interested in Newmar's Bay Stars as my "retirement home" but the 2351 has always interested me, especially with the 4x4 option. I really hope I get to see one at Hershey.
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Re: New Models
« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2018, 12:43:27 pm »


I am primarily interested in Newmar's Bay Stars as my "retirement home" but the 2351 has always interested me, especially with the 4x4 option. I really hope I get to see one at Hershey.

We spent a month is a Bay Star sport 2903, which is the same as the 3008  for 2018.  Very well constructed, fit and finish was excellent.  It was huge for us, more room
then we needed for a month.  Probably okay if living in for long term.  The HWH powered full wall slide made us a little nervous, it was a little creaky on twisting mountain
roads.  Driveability was typical of larger Class A's.  Not as good as the more aerodynamic C's like PC.
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Re: New Models
« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2018, 04:30:57 pm »
Quote from: hutch42 on August 20, 2018, 12:43:27 pm


I am primarily interested in Newmar's Bay Stars as my "retirement home" but the 2351 has always interested me, especially with the 4x4 option. I really hope I get to see one at Hershey.

We spent a month is a Bay Star sport 2903, which is the same as the 3008  for 2018.  Very well constructed, fit and finish was excellent.  It was huge for us, more room
then we needed for a month.  Probably okay if living in for long term.  The HWH powered full wall slide made us a little nervous, it was a little creaky on twisting mountain
roads.  Driveability was typical of larger Class A's.  Not as good as the more aerodynamic C's like PC.

Hutch,  We are downsizing from a 40' Monaco Diplomat and for several reasons.  Before I was familiar with PC, we went to Red Bay AL and toured the Tiffin facility.  I was set on getting a Tiffin Breeze.   Although the Breeze was a beautiful motorhome, it was still larger than we wanted.   Not going to bash Tiffin, but I'm reading on several Facebook pages that it has it's share of quality control issues.  Earlier we looked at a Newmar gasser (Bay Star?), a very nice motorhome, but the slide was much too close to the driver seat and did not allow much leg room in the driver's seat. When the slide was deployed, there was all kinds of grinding noises.   Long story, short... the 3100 was perfect for us.   The decision between a small class A or a Phoenix Cruiser was, for us, a no brainer.   Hope this might shed some light on your decision, but we all have different requirements and desires.

Cheers...
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