Replacement of Fiamma 45i awning

Our 2007 2350 back in the day, the 12' box awning had an MSRP of $833, the 14' box awning was just $91 more which we opted for.  I like it for the obvious reason that bigger is better, but even more specifically, it protects the window by our bed from sun and rain, and also the outdoor storage compartment.  I often open the awning just shy of interfering with the entry door which is roughly 15".  Opening it just that much without messing with the poles offers quick & easy protection from sun and windless rain.

Fiamma USA in Orlando FL sells replacement parts, possibly  including multiple fabric colors, as shown on the parts diagrams.

The p/n label is  inside near the legs . Click on a p/n below to get the parts list and diagram for your F45 model.

https://www.fiammausa.com/en/spare-parts/fiammastore-1476298585/winch-awnings-for-wall-installation-2007488025

Fiamma USA in Orlando FL sells replacement parts, possibly  including multiple fabric colors, as shown on the parts diagrams.

The p/n label is  inside near the legs . Click on a p/n below to get the parts list and diagram for your F45 model.

https://www.fiammausa.com/en/spare-parts/fiammastore-1476298585/winch-awnings-for-wall-installation-2007488025

I have ordered parts there before.  

The Fiamma shop in Orlando was infamous here a while back because of an ex-employee shooting up the place in a revenge attack. 

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-fiamma-shooting-orlando-20180314-story.html



But honestly, that awning was not up to the task. I have no wish for something that flimsy again. 

Our 2007 2350 back in the day, the 12' box awning had an MSRP of $833, the 14' box awning was just $91 more which we opted for.  I like it for the obvious reason that bigger is better, but even more specifically, it protects the window by our bed from sun and rain, and also the outdoor storage compartment.  I often open the awning just shy of interfering with the entry door which is roughly 15".  Opening it just that much without messing with the poles offers quick & easy protection from sun and windless rain.

Is that a fiamma also? Ours measured about 13' and looks like it has more room to the back than yours. Ours measures 15" from the end of the awning box to the seam on the coach.  5" to the front.

We need an all weather setup that wont puddle water.

One side of the canopy is dropped to allow for water drainage.  In addition, both side of the awning are secured with ropes/stakes.  This technique has held up through some particularly impressive rainfall.  On one trip I placed the awning's manual crank arm on top of a table in order to function as a support and raise the center of the canopy by a small amount. Which helped with draining the water.  A kludge which worked.

Sure!   

See my NYE 2017 pic post - heavy tilt and rope anchoring both ends.   https://forum.phoenixusarv.com/index.php?topic=3031.0


IT is MUCH better than nothing, for sure.  But... IMO.... not close to the best awning for our needs. I would like a conventional style awning so we can have one of the 'add a room' kits on it.

https://www.amazon.com/Lippert-Components-362229-Solera-Family/dp/B01MY48Z25


EDIT - Maybe not that one!! Look at those horrible reviews...    I saw the Lippert name and gave credit... ASSumed it was OK.. 

Yeah, I’m thinking mine is 12 feet. Looks like there’s 2 more feet to spare behind it. You can see the bracket just above the storage door.

You pay shipping and I will give you a 13 (?) footer that just needs fabric.    

 Might be cheaper to drive down and get it, however.

Quote from: Ron Dittmer on April 15, 2019, 10:39:31 pm

Our 2007 2350 back in the day, the 12' box awning had an MSRP of $833, the 14' box awning was just $91 more which we opted for.  I like it for the obvious reason that bigger is better, but even more specifically, it protects the window by our bed from sun and rain, and also the outdoor storage compartment.  I often open the awning just shy of interfering with the entry door which is roughly 15".  Opening it just that much without messing with the poles offers quick & easy protection from sun and windless rain.

Is that a fiamma also? Ours measured about 13' and looks like it has more room to the back than yours. Ours measures 15" from the end of the awning box to the seam on the coach.  5" to the front.

Yes, I believe our box awning is a Fiamma.

The one thing the Fiamma box awning has going for it is the sleek look when closed up.  But outside of that, I think the current-day power awning with the tracks is the one to consider.

As for us, if or when the day comes to replace the material, I will do that to retain "the look".  Our particular box awning is integrated into the full body paint job.  It looks too good to discard.

Quote from: TNcanuck on April 15, 2019, 06:29:54 pm

Yeah, I’m thinking mine is 12 feet. Looks like there’s 2 more feet to spare behind it. You can see the bracket just above the storage door.

You pay shipping and I will give you a 13 (?) footer that just needs fabric.    

 Might be cheaper to drive down and get it, however.

It might be worth it just to be able to move that damn bracket!!

Quote from: Volkemon on April 16, 2019, 05:07:10 am

Quote from: TNcanuck on April 15, 2019, 06:29:54 pm

Yeah, I’m thinking mine is 12 feet. Looks like there’s 2 more feet to spare behind it. You can see the bracket just above the storage door.

You pay shipping and I will give you a 13 (?) footer that just needs fabric.    

 Might be cheaper to drive down and get it, however.

It might be worth it just to be able to move that damn bracket!!

I bet.   I like the idea that the parts get used,. CalCruiser managed to replace a broken mirror head on his with the parts off mine. 

I am 10 miles away from Exit 173 on i95 here in Florida.   

Not sure how it would ship, prolly have to be truck freight? Maybe too long for that even. Once I remove it maybe it will be obvious how it breaks down to 'shippable' size pieces.

We have a camper-friendly front yard if you do come down.     Heck, get the replacement fabric beforehand and we might make it an install party.   

*  Hmmm..... I might even be able to use the 12 footer on my trailer. Reduce, reuse, recycle! 

Quote from: Volkemon on April 16, 2019, 05:07:10 am

Quote from: TNcanuck on April 15, 2019, 06:29:54 pm

Yeah, I’m thinking mine is 12 feet. Looks like there’s 2 more feet to spare behind it. You can see the bracket just above the storage door.

You pay shipping and I will give you a 13 (?) footer that just needs fabric.    

 Might be cheaper to drive down and get it, however.

It might be worth it just to be able to move that damn bracket!!

I didn't understand what you meant by "That Dang Bracket".

Now I get it.  What a goofy thing you have there, mounting the bottom of the awning pole just above the storage door like that.

But don't do exactly what I did and mount the brackets farther to the sides.  I mounted the brackets below floor level which is very good.  But sideways not so much.  I thought it would be good to have the poles angled "down-and-out" to increase the space under the awning and to improve sideways stability, which it did.  But it came at an inconvenience.  In my picture, draw a virtual vertical line from the boxed awning corners to the brackets and note how the brackets are spread farther outward.  The result is that it's hard to clip the poles in at that angle.  It works, but I do wrestle at bit with it.  My idea in concept was good, but a few less inches skewed would be much better.  The tighter fit also eliminates any rattling from a breeze, but still, if I could do it a second time, I would go out to the side half as much as I did.

Ron, when I zoomed in on your photo I noticed the brackets were mounted outboard and not directly vertical with the end of the awning. Yes, I bet that can be a challenge getting the supports in them!

Because of where that bracket is located on mine I cannot lift the door up so that the latch can hold it open because the door hits the bracket first. I have to either wrestle with the door while getting things in or out or have Cheryl hold it up for me. Not convenient at all.

By the way, I’m very envious of the fact that you can store your rig in your garage. I wish!!

I was about ready to throw out my Fiamma, too, until I tried adding the side-mount brackets that Ron is talking about.  Even at $40, it was worth the experiment.  What a difference!

I still don't trust it if I know a storm is coming, but then, I wouldn't trust any awning in a storm.  At least now I've got a sun shade.  A 10 mph gust used to send it flying. 

Just be sure to back the brackets on the other side of the fiberglass with something stout, like a piece of aluminum angle.

Phoenix handed our 2007 Phoenix Cruiser 2350 to us with the Fiamma brackets in the big bag with documentation and touch-up paint.  They also included ropes and stakes, seemingly Phoenix's recommended method.  Knowing myself, I would never rope-&-stake-down the awning, so I spray-painted the brackets a matching gray color and mounted them.  I feel utilizing the brackets is the right method for the Fiamma awning.  Stakes and poles may work, but not friendly to work with.

As far as "wind" is concerned.  With the brackets mounted below floor level, the poles extend out very nicely and provide excellent stability.  VERY importantly, ALWAYS use the extra center support.  That extra support allows you to tighten-up the fabric so the awning is very stable in breezy weather.

I wonder if the 12 foot awning did not include a center support.  To you with the 12 foot awning, do you have one?    Our 14 foot Fiamma, the center support is stored inside the entry door jamb, opposite the awning crank.

Yes, we have a center support for our awning.

I have set up the support legs both ways, on the ground and in the brackets. We have to be careful opening the cabin door because if opened too far it hits the support. Also the door won’t stay open without using a bungee cord to keep it in place.