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Sandyc

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Steer SafeH
« on: November 13, 2016, 09:11:50 pm »
Has anyone ever used the Steer Safe system on their Cruiser, or heard anything pro or con. There out of Deming, NM.

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Re: Steer SafeH
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2016, 09:31:00 pm »
Not heard of that company.

Phoenix Cruiser is recommending and installing on new builds a unit from these folks: http://www.safe-t-plus.com/

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Ron Dittmer

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Re: Steer SafeH
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2016, 10:30:48 pm »
Steer Safe and Safe-T-Plus are similar products with regards to their purpose.  Both have been around for a long time.  We have the Safe-T-Plus.  It has been on our PC since brand new 9 years and 32,000 miles ago.  I like it a lot.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2016, 10:33:18 pm by ron.dittmer »
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Gail Staton

Re: Steer SafeH
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2016, 02:27:21 pm »
We had Safe-T-Plus installed along with other upgrades to improve poor handling in our 2013 2100.

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Ron Dittmer

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Re: Steer SafeH
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2016, 04:17:15 pm »
The general rule is....The shorter the motor home, the worse the handling.  It is the combination of a short wheel base and a big rear overhang.
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Re: Steer SafeH
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2016, 10:00:45 am »
No reason a small motorhome couldn't be designed to have great ride and handling.   Imagine a scaled up Chevy Suburban or similar with long wheelbase/short overhang near equal balance front to rear, 19.5 inch wheels with tires sufficient for SRW and lower pressure, and wheel cut as a class A for short turning radius.

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Re: Steer SafeH
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2016, 11:53:52 am »
No reason a small motorhome couldn't be designed to have great ride and handling.   Imagine a scaled up Chevy Suburban or similar with long wheelbase/short overhang near equal balance front to rear, 19.5 inch wheels with tires sufficient for SRW and lower pressure, and wheel cut as a class A for short turning radius.
You have an interesting thought there randallandchris.

But using Gail's PC-2100 as the example, in order for Phoenix to offer a long wheel base and short rear overhang, the motor home would need to be built about 4" taller to make the floor flush throughout.  As it is today for every PC model, wheel wells stick up through the floor.  Phoenix designs each floor plan with those two obstacles considered.  If Phoenix increased the wheel base on model 2100, the two wheel wells would likely end up in bad places.  The alternative would be a much taller PC which conflicts with the principles of the Phoenix offerings of a lower stance, lower center of gravity motor home line-up, yet still keep costs manageable by utilizing the E350 and E450 chassis, only utilizing alternate standard wheel base adjustments as the various PC models need.
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Re: Steer SafeH
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2016, 01:56:06 pm »
      I have spent hours inside, outside and under our PC2100 wondering what could be done with the design to make it handle better, ride higher and not have tail drag. The answer is not much without changing everything we love about the unit--good turning radius, rear kitchen, short height, narrower than most width.  Make the wheel base longer and that effects turning radius. Also, as Ron said, if wheel wells are relocated that really messes with the design and if the floor is raised, then the unit gets taller which we don't want. The wheel base being so short there is not much room toward the cab for the 3 liquid tanks which create tail drag. We put air bags on top of the springs (makes ride a little rougher) and had the drag wheels put on the trailer hitch for tail drag. We did ad other things (heavy shocks, anti sway bars, etc.) There is another thread on the forum that discusses improvements many of us have made.
     All that said, I would buy the PC 2100 again in an instant knowing it would need some additional work to improve handling.

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Gail Staton

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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2016, 11:42:03 am »
Like RHeaNL, we are happy with the 2100 and the improved handling the upgrades made.   

We were not able to test drive ours on anything but 45mph roads.  It handled fine on them.  It wasn't until we drove it on an interstate at higher speeds that the poor handling issues showed up.   Our trusted mechanic was not surprised when we approached him with the issues.     Sure enough after doing the upgrades he recommended, it handles great now.   We do not have a tail drag problem and have not had to add air bags or drag wheels but are aware of folks having that issue.

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Ron Dittmer

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Re: Steer SafeH
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2016, 12:24:40 pm »
Like RheaNL and Gail with their 2100's, I too with our 2007 2350 had serious handling issues.  Like Gail says, it is most predominantly noticed on the open road at high speed, where gusting cross winds, uneven road surfaces, and trucks passing is common place.  The upgrades we talk about, all in combination make a huge difference.  Our rear end sits slightly low when traveling, I feel primarily caused because our fresh water tank in our old 2007 sits right against the back wall, and we travel with it filled up.  I believe the 2100 also has it's fresh water tank against the back wall.  Having the tank there is the worst possible place for rear end sag and handling.
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Re: Steer SafeH
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2016, 02:08:22 pm »
Our 2400 was built on 170" WB and is about 25' and handles fine after adding a rear track bar which we expected to need.  Also added the skid wheels which were necessary, should have built it on the E450.  Just believe it could be our dream RV without that overhang to drag, swing out, and harshen the ride, albeit would have required change to floorplan as Ron noted.  Maybe someday a chassis will be available to build it.

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Re: Steer SafeH
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2016, 07:04:00 pm »
Just wanted to throw my two cents in to balance the list a little bit.  My 2351 on the E350 with a 170" wheel base handles like a dream (no modifications).  My FW tank is under the bed against the rear wall and I travel with it full or close to full (waste tanks empty).  I did get a slight drag one time (no damage) when exiting a gas station over a dip to the road.  Since then I've been more careful and have had no more scrapes.
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