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Keeping the coach battery charged with shore power
« on: August 01, 2017, 11:18:52 pm »
Hi Guys,

I thought I posted this, but maybe not. We are pretty ignorant about mechanical things, but we're wondering how to keep our coach batteries charged. We have a 2015 2100, but no 30 amp outlets at the house. We can plug the motorhome into a regular 110 outlet. Would that work? Is that good? Does it automatically charge when driving? We leave it unused for long periods these days -- health issues -- and we're wondering about the battery issue under those circumstances too. I've tried looking this up on the internet but just get confused because I don't really understand what's being said. Thanks and  :help

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Re: Keeping the coach battery charged with shore power
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2017, 05:13:31 am »
Yes connecting to 110 volt power should charge the batteries.  If you haven't checked the electrolyte (water) level recently I would do that before charging.  It is very important the water level is above the battery plates. If you don't have 30 amp service I would suggest not running the AC, microwave, or hot water heater at the same time.

While driving the batteries should charge as well but the few times I have measured the charging current it appears low and will take longer to charge the battery than using 110 volt home power.

My PC has a different disconnect switch system than yours but I know for periods of non use the batteries should be fully charged and then disconnected.  Otherwise there are small electrical loads that will discharge the batteries.  Perhaps others on the forum with a standard disconnect switch can provide some insight as to what they do.

Discharging below 50% charge or letting the batteries sit in a partial discharged state significantly reduces their life.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2017, 05:22:03 am by fandj »

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Re: Keeping the coach battery charged with shore power
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2017, 12:20:03 pm »
Thank you for your very clear and helpful reply. The batteries aren't working at all. It may be that the water level was too low and they died. Or we may have the battery disconnect on. We'll have to check it out. Oh well..... Our fault. Thanks!

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Re: Keeping the coach battery charged with shore power
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2017, 01:08:55 pm »
I'm pretty sure you need to have the battery disconnect switch on for the coach batteries to charge from 110v service. Using 15 amp plug is fine.

But note your Ford battery will not charge and from the small loads from engine computer, that battery will go dead unless you run the engine or turn on the little switch to the left of your steering wheel.

Once you filled your batteries with DISTILLED water, they should charge back fully. You may have shortened their life but they should be OK.

As noted do not let you battery voltage go below 12.1 V



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Re: Keeping the coach battery charged with shore power
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2017, 01:43:02 pm »
the problem was the battery disconnect switch. Duh 2o2

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Re: Keeping the coach battery charged with shore power
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2017, 01:57:47 am »
A quick comment on batteries and on charging:  If your batteries are conventional "wet cell" lead acid batteries, be careful you don't splash the electrolyte solution into your eyes when removing caps to check fluid level or when adding distilled or deionized water.  Goggles are appropriate, and no smoking or open flame nearby as any hydrogen gas emitted during or after charging is explosive.  Also, the electrolyte expands in each cell when charged and can overflow if too much water is added when the batteries are discharged, wasting and weakening electrolyte.  Conversely, if levels are barely above the plates inside when the battery is fully charged, levels might drop below the tops of the plates later when the battery is discharged.  So, not too much and not too little.

The other issue is charging the batteries when plugging in to 120 volt AC power at home or in an RV park:  Some systems require various battery disconnect switches to already be on when you plug in for the batteries to be charged and off if they're already fully charged and you want to isolate them, followed by your turning the switch on after plugging in.  Others will confirm if this is so for current Phoenix Cruisers, or not.

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Re: Keeping the coach battery charged with shore power
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2017, 07:54:15 am »
10 years ago when we brought our PC home from the factory, I assumed it was wise to plug in when at home since our PC was driven so infrequently.  All that did was create a mess with 12 volt house battery acid boil-overs.  After a few years of that, I have not been plugging in at home, instead maintaining our batteries manually with a separate charger.  I used to hook up the external charger every month but had gotten undisciplined and learned that every 3 to 4 months works great for both the house and chassis batteries.  "BUT" I do disconnect the chassis battery when at home anticipating a long time before starting the engine.   The chassis battery will go dead if left hooked up and unattended for some weeks.  The same used to happen with our house batteries, but since switching to AGM 6 volt house batteries, they drain at such a slow rate that I'd rather keep them hooked up for when I go inside on occasion.  3 to 4 months hooked up and unattended, they measure 12.3 volts with the power on and many interior lights on.  A slow-rate 4 amp step-down charge and they are back to a full charge in just a few hours.

Of coarse I always hit the main battery kill-all switch by the door while in storage.

It's what I have learned is best for our PC batteries because we so infrequently drive our PC.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2017, 11:18:03 am by ron.dittmer »
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Re: Keeping the coach battery charged with shore power
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2017, 09:51:48 am »
On my previous motorhome I hooked up a Trik-L charger which kept the chassis battery charged up. I will be having AM Solar install solar and an option with the solar charger is to have a chassis battery charging circuit as well.

If you have a multi-stage converter/charger in the RV and AGM batteries, you can just leave the RV plugged in all the time.

I like to keep things as painless and brainless as possible.  (nod)
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Re: Keeping the coach battery charged with shore power
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2017, 10:58:30 am »
I was always told to fully charge the batteries and then use the disconnect switch when the coach is not being used.  However, with the solar panels on I have found that even sitting in the shade they generate enough power to keep the batteries fully charged.  Loss from various 'ghost' items like the CO and LP detectors is about .2 amp so in 24 hours loss is about 5amps which is easily made back up during the day.  Just make sure the inverter is OFF as it uses several amps.  I have been leaving the batteries connected and monitoring the charge to see what happens, so far they are doing just fine.  The solar acts like a trickle charger during the day.

For those with Parallax converters (most models) Parallax makes an add on module called the 4400TAU.  http://www.parallaxpower.com/4400tau-replacement-upgrade-4400tau This is installed in a port already in place on the converter and a temperature probe is attached to the batteries.  The temperature monitor prevents the converter from boiling the batteries.  It also allows the converter to charge at a much higher voltage (14.4v I think), which is much closer to the battery manufacturer's specifications.  Normally the Parallax converter uses a very conservative charge voltage in an attempt to reduce battery boiling.  However, this does not always work if the rig is plugged in for extended lengths of time and it uses a charge voltage that is quite a bit lower than the battery manufacturer's recommendation.  I am not sure why this is not standard equipment.

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Re: Keeping the coach battery charged with shore power
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2017, 12:41:36 am »
Thank you for all this really interesting information. I will pass it on to my husband. By the way, he already had a mishap at the battery, trying to clean off some corrosion. Thank God, he came into the house and stood in the shower and flushed out his eye for 25 minutes and he's okay.

Lots of information here to digest. Hopefully my brain will be more operational tomorrow.  :lol


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Re: Keeping the coach battery charged with shore power
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2017, 02:40:31 am »
' sorry to hear about your husband's eye.  Sulfuric acid is no joke.  Besides goggles, a supply of water nearby for eye washing ASAP if needed is also a good idea.

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Re: Keeping the coach battery charged with shore power
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2017, 11:18:01 am »
Lead acid batteries are so commonly used that we forget how dangerous they really are.  People are odd, we accept without concern a danger we know (lead acid batteries) but fear unreasonably something we don't (lithium batteries) even though the known danger has caused far more injuries than the unknown.

I have been party to two lead acid battery incidents that fortunately caused only minor burns.  Either could have easily resulted in serious injury.  In one the man beside me working on the car got the brunt of it and I received only a couple of burns.  He showed me his shirt later and it looked like Swiss cheese where the acid had burned holes in it.