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Alarm system reset?
« on: March 01, 2022, 07:02:23 pm »
Do any of you have an aftermarket anti-theft device on your cruiser?
If so, was it installed at PC? How do you reset it?
I can't get my 2004 2350 to start and I think it may be the aftermarket anti-theft device.
I have no documentation on it, I cannot even figure out what brand it is.

This all seems to stem from a mama squirrel making her nest in front of the left wheel well under the hood.
While there she decided to munch on several of the non-factory wires there. I think some may have been the anti-theft device.  pyho

Any thoughts or suggestions will be welcome.
(I have checked all the normal things like fuel pump, battery, etc.)

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Re: Alarm system reset?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2022, 08:15:44 pm »
The location you describe is the main fuse panel.  I would disconnect all batteries, then dig deeper.  It is possible a main fuse has blown but you want to first repair the wire harness before installing a new fuse and/or circuit breaker(s).

If there is an aftermarket alarm system installed, I would permanently remove it and revert back to stock.  Such devices can become problematic at the age your rig is, with or without squirrel intervention.

I used to buy older Corvettes and bring them back to their best possible state, then resell them.  I always uninstalled aftermarket alarms, remote starters, and elaborate sound systems.  If not making trouble already, they would make trouble soon enough.
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Re: Alarm system reset?
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2022, 09:05:50 am »
Do any of you have an aftermarket anti-theft device on your cruiser?
If so, was it installed at PC? How do you reset it?
I can't get my 2004 2350 to start and I think it may be the aftermarket anti-theft device.
I have no documentation on it, I cannot even figure out what brand it is.

This all seems to stem from a mama squirrel making her nest in front of the left wheel well under the hood.
While there she decided to munch on several of the non-factory wires there. I think some may have been the anti-theft device.  pyho

Any thoughts or suggestions will be welcome.
(I have checked all the normal things like fuel pump, battery, etc.)

Thanks,
Stan

Well, first question is "What doesn't work?"

""I can't get my 2004 2350 to start ""  is not enough to diagnose anything. Help us help you.  2o2


Do all the dash lights come on when the key is turned to on?
How did you test the fuel pump? What are the other items you tested (""etc"") ?

MANY times the cheap systems just interrupt the wire that activates the starter.  It is usually pretty easy to see the difference between the wiring on the alarm unit and the factory ford wiring. The alarm will need power and ground, these may be 'destination' wires, they go to a specific point to get their power/ground. There may be two other wires to interrut the starter action. Often the wire that comes from the column switch is cut, and the alarm is spliced in-between the cut.  Look for a 'factory looking' wire that is connected to TWO of the alarm system wires. One end of the factory wire may go up into the column towards the key switch.

 You describe the wire damage as happening in the left front engine compartment. Is the alarm 'brain' there also?

 How did you (or did you ever??) arm/disarm "the aftermarket anti-theft device" before this event?

The location you describe the damage might have non FORD factory wires, such as you coach battery charge relay, that are added by PC when the coach is built. A picture of the wires that were damaged would be a GREAT help.


A picture of the alarm 'brain' or control box may help also. If there is only 4 wires out of it, reverse engineering the connections may not be that difficult.

If the dash lights turn on, and the 'no start' issue appears to just be the starter motor not engaging, try running a jump wire to manually engage the starter. If vehicle starts/runs - its probably just a wire interrupt, and I would search for that.

Good luck, and get some pictures!  This forum STINKS for posting pictures. We know. If you get pictures and cant post them, we can work around that.
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Re: Alarm system reset?
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2022, 09:29:07 am »
MANY times the cheap systems just interrupt the wire that activates the starter.  It is usually pretty easy to see the difference between the wiring on the alarm unit and the Ford factory wiring. The alarm will need power and ground, these may be 'destination' wires, they go to a specific point to get their power/ground. There may be two other wires to interrupt the starter action. Often the wire that comes from the column switch is cut, and the alarm is spliced in-between the cut.  Look for a 'factory looking' wire that is connected to TWO of the alarm system wires. One end of the factory wire may go up into the column towards the key switch.

 You describe the wire damage as happening in the left front engine compartment. Is the alarm 'brain' there also?

 How did you (or did you ever??) arm/disarm "the aftermarket anti-theft device" before this event?

The location you describe the damage might have non FORD factory wires, such as you coach battery charge relay, that are added by PC when the coach is built. A picture of the wires that were damaged would be a GREAT help.


A picture of the alarm 'brain' or control box may help also. If there is only 4 wires out of it, reverse engineering the connections may not be that difficult.

If the dash lights turn on, and the 'no start' issue appears to just be the starter motor not engaging, try running a jump wire to manually engage the starter. If vehicle starts/runs - its probably just a wire interrupt, and I would search for that.
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Generally speaking, it is fairly straight forward removing such an aftermarket system because it is "tacked into" the vehicle, not integrated into it.
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Re: Alarm system reset?
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2022, 11:34:42 am »
My first question would be... How do you know it had an anti-theft device in it?  Did someone tell you or did you receive instructions?  If it also includes an alarm (beeping horn) how did you stop it?  Finally, when you tried to start it, did it crank?  Did the dash gauges come on?  Do your headlights work?

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Re: Alarm system reset?
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2022, 01:53:58 pm »
Ron makes a good point about alarms that involves me.  My toad Jeep has an alarm system that’s currently in passive state. It’s all hooked up and all the lights are there and illuminated; however, I have no key fob to disarm it completely.  The previous owner must have disarmed it. I’ve been hesitant on removing it as I’m scared I might completely locked out my Jeep but I think I’m going to pull the trigger now and remove it. I looked into getting a fob and how to program but just not real savvy on alarms.  They deter the pranksters only. 

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Re: Alarm system reset?
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2022, 07:30:11 pm »
A simple deterrent in a typical vehicle is installing a red blinking 12V LED in an area near the windshield that can be seen from the outside.

But auto theft has become "high tech" where thieves with the right equipment can tow your vehicle away in seconds, even if it is wedged between two other vehicles.  CLICK HERE to watch a demo on such equipment.
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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2022, 12:57:14 am »
That’s just not fair.  LOL.

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Re: Alarm system reset?
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2022, 09:16:10 am »


But auto theft has become "high tech" where thieves with the right equipment can tow your vehicle away in seconds, even if it is wedged between two other vehicles.  CLICK HERE to watch a demo on such equipment.

Um... thats a 14 year old video. Nothing hi tech, just hydraulics.  We had the same units working repo in the 90's. You can use them that way if there is little overhang to induce swing damage, but if the repo order is a 'no blow no scratch' they were not on the table. Weight is certainly an issue also, PC's would certainly be safe.  roflol 

My toad Jeep has an alarm system that’s currently in passive state. It’s all hooked up and all the lights are there and illuminated; however, I have no key fob to disarm it completely.  The previous owner must have disarmed it. I’ve been hesitant on removing it as I’m scared I might completely locked out my Jeep but I think I’m going to pull the trigger now and remove it. I looked into getting a fob and how to program but just not real savvy on alarms.  They deter the pranksters only. 


I have towed several vehicles that happened to. We blamed it on nearby lightning strikes, a frequent event here. We would tow them to the local alarm/stereo shop to have them removed. I would highly recommend you either get the system operational or removed. MOST car stereo / alarm shops can do uninstalls of any system. Getting it working sometimes is a bigger task. My knowledge of the systems, from working at a stereo/alarm/accessory shop was a big bonus when I did car repo. Most of the systems are pretty easy to defeat quickly, especially when shop installed.

How effective are car alarms?  Well... I live in a country setting. Getting more populated, so more noise events. You get immune to them... I felt somewhat foolish when we had visitors with a toad recently. They were still out of sight in the driveway when they decided to unhook the toad.  They accidently triggered the alarm. I heard it, and ignored it like 99.9% of people. IN MY OWN DRIVEWAY.  :beg  Was certainly an eye opener.
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Re: Alarm system reset?
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2022, 10:21:48 am »
I am not a fan of alarms.  They really don’t do anything from what I can tell. People just look when they go off and then get mad at people who can’t figure out how to turn their alarm off. LOL.  I am going to remove mine tonight actually. 

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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2022, 08:41:33 pm »
Well…after looking at the alarm system, I have decided to leave well enough alone and have it either professionally removed or leave it.  I started to remove it and decided that it is just way above my knowledge grade.  I’m fair at best with electrical and it’s REALLY tight under the dash. 

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Re: Alarm system reset?
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2022, 10:27:05 pm »
Thanks for all your input.

Turned out to be a combination of squirrel wiring damage and the fuel pump and fuel pump control module being bad.

Dang squirrels!!!

We have since traded the 2004 2350 for a 2015 2552 and loving the switch!