Hello Guest!

Motor Oil Additive

  • 8 Replies
  • 9004 Views
*

Sarz272000

  • ******
  • 365
    • View Profile
  • OwnPC: No
  • NewUsed: Used
  • Model: None
  • Slide: No
  • Location: Michigan
Motor Oil Additive
« on: October 20, 2020, 02:12:22 pm »
Original owner of my PC 2551 had oil changes done at Ford dealership.  Reviewing the work i noticed they added something every oil change.  I called them and they said they added an oil additive because of the nature of RVs sitting idle over long periods of time.  I purchased the additive attached (BG-115 MOA) for $20.  My engine does not burn oil at 53,000 miles and runs great.  The BG-115 is upgrade from original BG-110.  Kind of pricy but it gives me piece of mine.  Combined with MOBIL One oil it doesn’t get any better.

Ron S
« Last Edit: October 20, 2020, 02:20:16 pm by Sarz272000 »

*

Sarz272000

  • ******
  • 365
    • View Profile
  • OwnPC: No
  • NewUsed: Used
  • Model: None
  • Slide: No
  • Location: Michigan
Re: Motor Oil Additive Part 2
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2020, 02:21:56 pm »
Here is the back of the additive can.

Ron S


*

Volkemon

  • *******
  • 1061
    • View Profile
  • OwnPC: Yes
  • NewUsed: Used
  • PurchDate: October 31, 2017
  • Model: 2350 Ford
  • ModelYear: 2006
  • Slide: Yes
  • IntColor: Light Maple
  • ExtColor: White
  • Location: Space Coast Florida
Re: Motor Oil Additive
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2020, 03:59:46 pm »
From their website:   ""The potent detergency and antioxidant system in BG Advanced Formula MOA® prevents engine oil degradation and thickening under even the most severe stop-and-go, high temperature driving.""

They do say quite a bit about the high heat protection. 

The dealer added it  ""because of the nature of RVs sitting idle over long periods of time"".  OK.  Being the cheap fussbudget I am, I would REALLY like to understand how a high heat oil protector can help with long term periods of ambient temperature storage...  (WH) 


Dive a little deeper, and you will find all the 'Extended warranty' services they provide... seems to be their bread and butter!  But there in the small print...

"" Motorcycles, RVs, and vehicles with more than two axles are excluded.""  :beg

 Let me get this straight... the people that make it do not cover an RV under their warranty service. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.
 (source - https://www.bgprod.com/lpp/ )


Can I interest you in an elephant whistle?  I will guarantee your vehicle will suffer ZERO elephant related accidents and injuries when used as directed*.  roflol  RV's and Motorcycles included!   (cheer)  It will probably have the same effect on your engine life, and possibly less on your wallet.







*(small print will cover any possible times it could happen, and exclude them)

""You want to save money on travel, drive a Prius and stay at motel 6""  Forum Member Joseph


WORD.

*

Ron Dittmer

  • *******
  • 5647
  • Ron and Irene
    • View Profile
    • My 2007 2350 Phoenix Cruiser
  • OwnPC: Yes
  • NewUsed: New
  • PurchDate: June 2007
  • Model: 2350 Ford
  • ModelYear: 2007
  • Slide: No
  • IntColor: Cherry Green&Gray
  • ExtColor: Full Body Gray
  • Location: N/E Illinois
Re: Motor Oil Additive
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2020, 05:16:30 pm »
I am a money miser.  I realize my situation is unique in that our PC is kept in heated storage.  But I always wondered how oil gets old and degrades sitting in the bottom of an oil pan, when it ages just fine in containers on shelves.  I realize there is moisture being added, but that vaporizes and gets vented out when driving the vehicle.  I change my oil once a year, just prior to a big vacation, usually ~5000 miles between oil changes.  But it's been a few years since it's last oil change because we went to Europe last year and COVID19 this year.  I don't count short 200 mile trips worthy of an oil change.  The oil still looks great on the stick and no evidence of moisture anywhere.  Never ever have I seen any accumulation of water droplets at the bottom of my oil collection pan.

I always use full synthetic oil purchased for less than $3 a quart, usually Pennzoil, but lately Farm-N-Fleet, Citco and other brands.  My oil filters had been Ford OEM because a store was clearing out and I bought them up.  But I depleted them so now I am using Walmart's "Super Tech".  They are my new stash gotten under identical circumstances.

Recently I have been adding a Lucas oil treatment in my high mileage Saturn Sky.  It is supposed to help clean engine internals.  The jury is out whether I am wasting my money.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2020, 05:28:08 pm by Ron Dittmer »
Ron (& Irene) Dittmer

*

Sarz272000

  • ******
  • 365
    • View Profile
  • OwnPC: No
  • NewUsed: Used
  • Model: None
  • Slide: No
  • Location: Michigan
Re: Motor Oil Additive
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2020, 07:20:11 pm »
From their website:   ""The potent detergency and antioxidant system in BG Advanced Formula MOA® prevents engine oil degradation and thickening under even the most severe stop-and-go, high temperature driving.""

They do say quite a bit about the high heat protection. 

The dealer added it  ""because of the nature of RVs sitting idle over long periods of time"".  OK.  Being the cheap fussbudget I am, I would REALLY like to understand how a high heat oil protector can help with long term periods of ambient temperature storage...  (WH) 


Dive a little deeper, and you will find all the 'Extended warranty' services they provide... seems to be their bread and butter!  But there in the small print...

"" Motorcycles, RVs, and vehicles with more than two axles are excluded.""  :beg

 Let me get this straight... the people that make it do not cover an RV under their warranty service. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.
 (source - https://www.bgprod.com/lpp/ )


Can I interest you in an elephant whistle?  I will guarantee your vehicle will suffer ZERO elephant related accidents and injuries when used as directed*.  roflol  RV's and Motorcycles included!   (cheer)  It will probably have the same effect on your engine life, and possibly less on your wallet.







*(small print will cover any possible times it could happen, and exclude them)



Good investigative reporting Volkemon!  I thought it might keep the inside better lubed over long storage periods.  But that does not appear to be the case.  Since my motor had it used for most of its life it should be free of any possible sludge or other issues.  I change the oil properly with synthetic oil so this item would be a waste of money.  I am returning the can and saving the $20+ annually. 

Ron S.

*

donc13

  • *******
  • 1358
    • View Profile
  • OwnPC: Yes
  • NewUsed: New
  • PurchDate: 03/2015
  • Model: 2551
  • ModelYear: 2015
  • Slide: Yes
  • IntColor: Nightscape/Hickory
  • ExtColor: White/Nightscape
  • Location: Colorado
Re: Motor Oil Additive
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2020, 07:44:25 pm »
The "hardest" use of an engine, thus requiring more frequent oil changes is stop and go driving in high heat with the A/C running... OR short trips of less than 10 miles, especially in winter cold.

Especially with standard oil (vs full synthetic) as the high heat, piston ring wear (blow-by) and moisture can break down both the petroleum based oil and the viscosity additives (thixotropic additive).  With full synthetic oil, the breakdown is significantly lowered, but not eliminated and moisture contamination is the same for both.   In addition, petroleum based oils with a high paraffin content are better at not draining off the metal surfaces when you shut the engine off.  However, even without high paraffin content, most modern petroleum based oils reach full pressure and metal surface coating within a few seconds of the engine being started.

Almost none of the above applies to typical RV use.   Most RV's are no used as commuter vehicles, they start, drive short distance at "city" speed limits and then 100's of miles at highway speeds.  Then they sit, for days, weeks or months never being started.

In other words, there is no need for any extra oil supplements.  This is especially true for engines that use full synthetic oil exclusively.

I just got back from a 5,000 mile trip.  The PC now has 60,000 miles on it. The engine oil is about 8,000 miles from its last oil change.  I checked the oil a few times on that trip, always at the full mark on the dipstick, light brown in color.  I have not, and will not used oil additives in close to 40 years and have never had a lubrication or engine wear issue.

The only thing I do "different" is I use 5W/30 full synthetic vs Ford's recommended 5W/20 oil.   I like the thicker viscosity at the higher temps.

So, all of the above means, in my humble opinion and experience, oil additives are not needed and are a waste of money. Your mileage, literally, may vary.

Don
« Last Edit: October 20, 2020, 07:46:21 pm by donc13 »
---
Don and Patti

*

Joseph

  • *******
  • 1053
    • View Profile
  • OwnPC: Yes
  • NewUsed: Used
  • PurchDate: 3/7/2015
  • Model: 2552
  • ModelYear: 2011
  • Slide: Yes
  • IntColor: Tan/Cherry
  • ExtColor: Gray / White
  • Location: California
Re: Motor Oil Additive
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2020, 10:56:00 am »
I’m not one for additives but to each their own.  I do suggest anyone who uses Mobil one get an oil analysis done if you run it more than 5,000 miles. Actually you should for any oil, you simply can’t tell by looking at it.  I do at least one on every vehicle I own and a new one if I ever change brands of motor oil. Their all good to a point except I find in longevity.  I.E. at 5,000 miles the Mobil one in a 3 cylinder smart car was about done at 5,000 miles at that engine never ran hard.

I ran Mobil one years ago in a Acura. I never got it tested so I really have no idea if it made a difference. I used it as a commuter so it was 35 miles one way to work. I run it 4,000 miles, change the filter and refilled and ran another 4,000. At 120,000 it was using oil. At 150,000 it was a mosquito killer. I’ve always tested oil after that fiasco. Would it have changed my change intervals? I’ll never know now.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2020, 11:02:30 am by Joseph »

*

Engineerlt

Re: Motor Oil Additive
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2020, 06:50:09 pm »
Oil additives are "Snake Oil".  If there were any benefits to the product oil companies would have incorporated them into the oil they sell. Do you remember Slick-50, and there claim.  That once used in the engine you could drain the oil and run the engine without any oil. This was such a high profile scam the military ended up buying the stuff in 55 gallon drums and then realized they had been taken to the cleaners. Slick 50 was sued and dropped out of production for awhile.

Tribology is the study of lubrication and its interaction with surfaces in relative motion. If you read periodicals like Lubes'N'Greases you will see that adding anything to your oil will throw off the PH balance of the oil and actually be detrimental to the engine. If your into the science of oil I suggest you look up Lubes'N'Greases and apply for a free subscription. Your thought of adding aftermarket treatments to oil may make you feel good, drain a couple bucks from your wallet and actually reduce your engines life expectancy.

If you are purchasing a quality oil like Mobil One then you are doing the best for your engine, and ensure that you install a quality filter. I have once purchased synthetic oil under the Pep Boys brand and found that it was different colors between the quarts. I noticed this when i was pouring it into the engine.  I stopped and took it back to Pep Boys, and bought Mobil One and have been using it ever since. When you purchase inexpensive oil you get inexpensive oil, I learned my lesson....


*

Doneworking

  • ******
  • 450
    • View Profile
  • OwnPC: Yes
  • NewUsed: Used
  • PurchDate: September 2013
  • Model: 2350 Ford
  • ModelYear: 2013
  • Slide: Yes
  • Location: Oklahoma City
Re: Motor Oil Additive
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2020, 11:53:55 am »
I look at all this in simple Okie terms:  the Hemi in my Jeep and the V10 in my PC are not the straight six in my 1965 Chevy.   So, I don't treat them the same oil wise or otherwise.   Those of us "of a certain age" (like me) tend to be prejudiced by our earlier in life experiences.