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Question About Toad Hookup
« on: April 23, 2016, 08:17:52 am »
Good Morning,

We just purchased a new Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk to pull behind our 2910.  Yesterday I had the baseplate installed and this morning I thought I would see how it looked behind my RV and make sure the lights worked.  When I hooked it up I immediately noticed that the the front of the Trailhawk was elevated quite a bit above the RV. Is this going to be a problem?  In looking at the picture I did notice that the Trailhawk is on pavement and the RV is in the grass but it still remains a bit elevated.   

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Re: Question About Toad Hookup
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2016, 08:47:01 am »
Is this going to be a problem?

Hi Joey,

"Yes" you have a condition you need to address.  Rather than explaining it here, read through my post with pictures HERE.

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« Last Edit: April 23, 2016, 08:58:29 am by ron.dittmer »
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Re: Question About Toad Hookup
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2016, 08:52:18 am »
JoeyD, yes it IS a problem!  

First of all, congrats on your Trailhawk.  We pull a Trailhawk behind our PC2350.  I have driven Jeep Cherokees and Grand Cherokees almost exclusively for over 25 years and the Trailhawk is probably the best we have owned.  I say "we" because I drive a Grand Cherokee and the Trailhawk is my wife's.  I can prove it is her's and not mine:  just ask her roflol. We go to the Rockies for an extended time each summer and I am amazed at the power and ability that engine/transmission generate.  And it is a snap to tow, connect and disconnect.  

All that said, your towing gear should be as  level as possible.  The construction that makes the PCs look so cool also makes the receiver lower than on most Class Cs.   So, you will need a riser to raise the tow bar to a level position.  Something like this:  http://roadmasterinc.com/products/accessories/hitch/hitch.html

They are called risers or hi-lo hitches.  Don't buy a light duty one because you need a really stout, well made riser.  Measure height from level ground to the hitch plates on the Trailhawk and height from the ground to the PC receiver and get the appropriate riser.  

Warning from my personal experience:  make sure your safety cables are long enough after you install the riser.  You may need longer cables.   If this is your first shot at this, you might have someone check all this out before towing.  If the cables are too short, they can bend your tow bar and cause a real mess when you make a sharp turn (like 90 degrees around a city street corner).  I won't detail my experience on the cable length issue, lets just say it was not a good day. :help

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Re: Question About Toad Hookup
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2016, 09:24:49 am »
Hi

    I use a 4 inch riser with two "Quite hitch" like these. http://www.amazon.com/Roadmaster-061-Quiet-Hitch/dp/B00C5TA2QQ I put one on each end of the riser. My Blue Ox cables are long enough to handle the added length.
 
    I also use four matching  (same key number) lacking pins. The Trailhawk is not coming off by it self or while I am away from the rig eating lunch, if you know what I mean.

    When I had the SMI Plug-n-Play barking system installed in the Trailhawk, they also hooked up the tail lights and ran a hot wire from the PC plug to the battery. I don't have to worry about running down the Trailhawk's  battery even after driving for days and nights.

    There is a recall on the Jeep Cherokee for 4 down towing.  I don't know if it is also for the Trailhawk and We have not received a recall notice yet.

    I drive a Grand Cherokee while we tow my wife has the Trailhawk. We love them both.

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Re: Question About Toad Hookup
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2016, 12:45:03 pm »
You folks are amazing... Not only do I have the best RV but also the best friends. Doneworking, your the reason I bought the Trailhawk. Ron, thanks for "taking one for the team" so we all can learn. I'm going to pull the RV onto a level surface tomorrow, hook it up again and see where I'm at.  I'll post another picture when I do.  I'm afraid that if it's "close" the 4 incher may be too high on the other end.  I also noticed that because the base plate is spread quite a bit, it looks like the Trailhauk is closer and tighter to the RV... I don't know if that will becpme an isue. 

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Re: Question About Toad Hookup
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2016, 01:06:42 pm »
Joey,

One benefit to adding a riser is that it will increase the distance between the two vehicles, beneficial when cutting tight turns.

I experimented first without the riser, later with the riser.  In a parking lot, I cut the motor home as sharp as it would go and did a donut to see whether there would be any concern of the two vehicles making contact.  Without the riser, it was "scary" close.  With the riser, it was comfortable.

One more consideration is the motor home when loaded up on a trip.  Having a tank full of fuel & fresh water, gear, food, etc. all combined will influence the height of the rear hitch.  You won't need to actually load the motor home, but rather consider it will drop 1-1.5" when determining the offset hitch adapter.  So if it's a little high on the motor home side, you should be good.  If it's a little low on the motor home side, it will be lower yet when on a trip.  So I advise to error on the "high" side, assuming your rig is empty when measuring.

Before towing our Liberty, we towed a little Toyota MR2 Spyder.  By shear luck, the bar happened to be level.  We never had any "bucking" action, so it had me wondering what the heck was gong on with the Liberty.  Without the riser, the Spyder was closer to the motor home, but because of it's curved front bumper style, there was a lot of clearance between vehicles to do donuts.  That Spyder was a very friendly tow vehicle.  It was great on paved surfaces but not so much going through dry river beds...hence the Liberty 4x4.
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Re: Question About Toad Hookup
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2016, 05:06:32 pm »
JoeyD....I tow a Trailhawk behind my 3100 and it tows much better than by Liberty did.  I use a Roadmaster 2" riser adapter to bring the Trailhawk within 3" of dead level.  You realy want the entire hook up to be level.  Many pulling Trailhawks have had significant issues with violent front end shimmying when going over rough roads.  Jeep has a new kit that keeps power going to the power steering unit so that there is constant pressure on the front end.  The kit cost $125 not sure if they will send it out free or not?  Best of luck with rig and car.  Ron G.
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Re: Question About Toad Hookup
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2016, 05:57:34 pm »
Tom, sounds like you and I share the same story:  Grand Cherokee for us and a Trailhawk for our wives.  Both of ours are red!  They look like big and little brothers setting in our garage.  We also have the same braking system.  I think it works great and is worth the money. 

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Re: Question About Toad Hookup
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2016, 07:08:01 pm »
Do any of you Trailhawk owners own a 4-cylinder or do you all have the 6-cylinder.  I bought the 4-cylinder hoping I would be OK with it.  Also, again to the Trailhawk owners... Is it easier than it reads to put this thing in 4-wheel neutral. OK, while I'm on a roll (no pun intended) as with my old Wrangler, can I assume the Trailhawk rolls without running up miles on the odometer.  Thanks again.

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Re: Question About Toad Hookup
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2016, 08:25:36 pm »
JoeyD........the Trailhawk is not as easy as the Liberty or Wrangler to prepare to tow but it is not all that   bad just a couple extra steps.  I have a Grand Cherokee as well as the Cherokee but I get the Cherokee unlike yougents.  Odomater does not chock up miles while towing, ingnition is off.
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Re: Question About Toad Hookup
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2016, 09:40:36 am »
JoeyD and others:

Jeep is addressing the Cherokee (all of them regardless of engine size) RV toad wobble issue by issuing a new TSB...# 08-029-16, the "fix" wiring harness part number is 68321424AA.  It appears that Jeep is picking up the cost of the harness ($125.00) and the labor to install it. The harness supplies power to  the power steering unit so the steering system always has pressure on it, it does not now.  There is a nice looking switch with a cover that is installed in the console area.  There appears to be and inline fuse under the hood that they suggest you pull when you are not towing the Jeep.  Regardless if you have had trouble or not I think it is prudent to have it installed for some of the videos that I have seen the wobble is violent and is dangerous.   I am having mine updated despite the fact I have not noticed any wobble yet.  Just got clearance from Jeep dealer that as long as vehicle is still in 3 year/36000 mile warranty they will cover all parts and labor to install new harness.  The issue is the harness is back ordered with no idea when they will be in stock!Best of luck.
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