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General Discussion / Re: Build quality on newer PC's
« Last post by Joseph on November 21, 2021, 10:23:24 am »
WillLoydÖ nothing wrong with trying another flavor. For 59 years I rode motorcycles. I was never brand loyal. Their nothing more than tools and I tried as many as I could over the years. Yamaha, Suzuki, Honda, Husky, Harley and so on. I rode the last one 190,000 miles in 5 years so I was no collector. Some were good some were great some not so much, but I had fun with all of them. So go have fun in what ever floats your boat, youíve earned it.
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General Discussion / Re: OCCC for 2910D and 2910T
« Last post by Ron Dittmer on November 21, 2021, 08:31:59 am »
Hi Barb,

Especially because of Art's height, see if someone on this forum, at Phoenix, or at a dealership, will provide the dimensions of the dinette in a 2910D and T.  You will find that the "D" dinette will be significantly bigger because it is NOT placed inside a slide-out.  With a "D", Art's long legs won't tangle up with your legs, and the much larger table will be much appreciated.  You will loose the euro chair there because the bigger dinette utilizes that space.

Regardless of model, the dinette without a slide-out utilizes the adjacent angled transition wall.  It also gains roughly 6 extra inches as it does not need to accommodate slide-out wall thickness and trim.  CLICK HERE to see our no-side 2350 dinette which helps to visualize what I am talking about, most especially the last picture.   Another benefit will be the extra large over-head cabinets.

You mentioned that you like the reduced width and height of a PC.  There you go.  Welcome to the club of people who find that attractive.  My wife Irene has no problem driving our PC because of that.  The reduced facial area also reduces drag and is more tolerant to wind gusts and such.  This head-on picture clarifies that.
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General Discussion / Re: Build quality on newer PC's
« Last post by WillLloyd on November 21, 2021, 08:09:54 am »
Thanks for the input everyone.  After a lot of thought, I donít think there will be seconds on a PC for us.  When did our initial research we thought we found one of the upper end motor homes.  And I think as a brand we did, unfortunately our particular unit didnít make the cut and that leaves a bad taste.  Mind you, ours were not the typical little RV problems, I can fix those in my sleep.

I still think PC is one of the three top B+ units, and anyone should be happy to own one, itís just time for us to try another flavor.  I was even impressed with the support the factory provided even though we did not buy from them, ours was used with 1700 miles on it.

This forum is a great asset as well.  Lots of good input and good ideas.  Hopefully I can still contribute and glean input.
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General Discussion / Re: Replacing toilet 2005 2100.
« Last post by donc13 on November 21, 2021, 08:08:55 am »
I am considering a replacement toilet as well. I rebuilt my 10yr old thetford this past spring and it was not difficult. BUT I learned that it is basically an inner and outer shell and nothing but the seat holding them together. There is no pipe the last 2 inches before the floor. If the toilet is flushed when you're not level, or traveling on a bumpy road there's a chance that not everything goes to the black tank... When I removed the toilet from the floor there was lot of evidence.

From what I can tell of the specs of other thetfords is that are all basically designed the same.  I will not be buying a thetford!

LRUCH,

That sounds like someone installed the toilet improperly. There is supposed to be a closet flange and seal on the bottom that seals the bottom of the drain tube to the floor and top of the waste tank. Much like the wax seal in a household toilet.

Having a 2" open space between the top of the waste tank and drain tube (down tube) would be against every "building" (RVIA) code.  Having that gap would also allow any tank odors to escape into the interior of the coach uninhibited.

Thetford would be out of business real quickly if they designed their toilets that way.
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General Discussion / Re: Replacing toilet 2005 2100.
« Last post by LRUCH on November 21, 2021, 12:02:51 am »
I am considering a replacement toilet as well. I rebuilt my 10yr old thetford this past spring and it was not difficult. BUT I learned that it is basically an inner and outer shell and nothing but the seat holding them together. There is no pipe the last 2 inches before the floor. If the toilet is flushed when you're not level, or traveling on a bumpy road there's a chance that not everything goes to the black tank... When I removed the toilet from the floor there was lot of evidence.

From what I can tell of the specs of other thetfords is that are all basically designed the same.  I will not be buying a thetford!
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General Discussion / Re: Replacing toilet 2005 2100.
« Last post by CalCruiser on November 20, 2021, 07:34:49 pm »
Try browsing Camping World for a decent range of models and specs. They usually do free shipping on black Friday / cyber Monday. Or if you can, drive to a  super center location. Itís the ToysRus for rvíers.
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General Discussion / Re: OCCC for 2910D and 2910T
« Last post by Art and Barbara on November 20, 2021, 06:50:17 pm »
Ron, you asked for an evaluation of our visit to La Mesa RV to see the PC 2552.  We were very impressed with the quality of the materials and the workmanship on the 2552, even more so after we then viewed an Entegra Odyssey and a Dynamax Isata.  Those two coaches were acceptable, but the 2552 just felt a step above.  We particularly thought the cupboards and drawers on the 2552 were more solid.

Since Art is 6' tall, we were concerned that he might feel cramped inside a PC, but he felt there was no problem, even after standing in the coach for a considerable amount of time.  And we really like the lower profile of the PC, especially compared to the Isata.  In full disclosure, one of the reasons we're wanting to downsize is to get a coach that I'm more comfortable driving and I think a PC would definitely fit the bill.

There were some features of the Entegra Odyssey 26M we really liked (the galley, the Murphy bed, the large dinette), but we were alarmed to see how very low and far back the dump valves are.  It seems that could be a disaster just waiting to happen and it felt like a deal breaker to us.

The storage in the Isata 4 25FWF was impressive, but the materials didn't seem to be the same high quality as the PC 2552.  And there's a pretty significant step up into the bed and bath area and that also felt like a disaster just waiting to happen.

We only looked at three different vehicles today, but the PC 2552 was by far our favorite.  Now we just need to find a 2910T to look at.  :)

--- Barbara and Art
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General Discussion / Re: Replacing toilet 2005 2100.
« Last post by donc13 on November 20, 2021, 06:07:44 pm »
Whatever you get, make sure the bowl is porcelain, not plastic or fiberglass.  Porcelain stays bright and easy to clean over the years, the others do not!

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General Discussion / Re: OCCC for 2910D and 2910T
« Last post by Ron Dittmer on November 20, 2021, 12:40:41 pm »
Our research has only just begun and we still need to see a 2910T in person.  We are heading over to La Mesa RV in Tucson today to see a PC 2552 so that we can see for ourselves the quality of the Phoenix Cruiser workmanship.
That is a very good plan.  Check out a different model locally to examine general workmanship and the over-all dimensional feel.  Every PC has the same width and height.  Only the lengths vary.  You will learn a lot walking through a model you are not interested in.  You just might say something like...."We didn't realize how small a PC is." and decide to rule out every PC.  For some people, the smaller width and height are sought after.  For others, it's downsizing too much.  It can become a problem for exceptionally tall people.  6 feet with shoes on is about it before hitting your head on the a/c unit in the ceiling, and the shower against the side wall with sloping-down ceiling (which every model has) can be another point of contention, even considering the domed skylight.  But you have a shot at success with a 2910 D or T opening up the interior, as long as nobody is taller than 6 feet.  Of coarse, you also have to approve of the interior design in concept, general workmanship (fit and finish), and chosen materials.

Keep in mind that Hickory will be your hardest wood that resists damage the best.  We just bought a set of Amish bedroom furniture made of hickory and it is exceptionally good stuff.  Stained just right blends together the contrasting character without loosing the character.


Good luck kicking the tires on that 2552.  I would love to hear about your evaluation.
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General Discussion / Re: OCCC for 2910D and 2910T
« Last post by Art and Barbara on November 20, 2021, 12:23:29 pm »
Thank you all for your insights...Art and I truly appreciate it.  We have been RVing for over 20 years and full-timing the past 6+ years in a Class A.  But for various reasons, we want to downsize before we come off the full-time road.

Since we will continue full-timing, we wanted the convenience of a permanent bed and a dinette is very important as we need to spend considerable time on our laptops.  So the 2910T definitely caught our attention, but the three slides made us wary about the OCCC.  However, your OCCC has encouraged us, Kevin, as well as Ron's "fireside suggestion" (that's a wonderful phrase): "If I absolutely wanted model 2910T, I would buy one without Liquid Springs to avoid the extra weight (not available anyway), get the leveling jacks and extra capacity tires, and enjoy."

And Don, your suggestion to "view the coach's OCCC as a target that will lower unless you properly plan where things go" has also given us some hope as we have definitely learned how to minimize and distribute our stuff over the years.

Our research has only just begun and we still need to see a 2910T in person.  We are heading over to La Mesa RV in Tucson today to see a PC 2552 so that we can see for ourselves the quality of the Phoenix Cruiser workmanship.  But our research and questions to this forum will continue.

Once again, many thanks to all of you...this forum is such a great resource!

--- Barbara and Art
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