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General Discussion / Re: Build quality on newer PC's
« on: November 22, 2021, 09:25:16 am »
Calcruiser.  Yup gotta love Brandon
Let's go Brandon!

Sorry, I couldn't resist.....I apologize in advance to those who are offended.

General Discussion / Re: Build quality on newer PC's
« on: November 21, 2021, 05:26:43 pm »
WillLoyd… nothing wrong with trying another flavor.
I agree.  I would likely try another brand after a bad experience.

General Discussion / Re: OCCC for 2910D and 2910T
« on: November 21, 2021, 02:49:04 pm »
So if we're understanding correctly, we could get the two slide 2910D but with a dinette in lieu of the two Euro chairs and the small table between them? 

And the factory is still willing to do some customization even with the ownership change in 2017 and the return to selling through authorized dealers beginning in 2019?  If so, we are very encouraged!
You ask a good question.  It is surely worth asking the factory for such a minor deviation.  Worst case scenario is buying and later modifying.

General Discussion / Re: OCCC for 2910D and 2910T
« on: November 21, 2021, 08:31:59 am »
Hi Barb,

Especially because of Art's height, see if someone on this forum, at Phoenix, or at a dealership, will provide the dimensions of the dinette in a 2910D and T.  You will find that the "D" dinette will be significantly bigger because it is NOT placed inside a slide-out.  With a "D", Art's long legs won't tangle up with your legs, and the much larger table will be much appreciated.  You will loose the euro chair there because the bigger dinette utilizes that space.

Regardless of model, the dinette without a slide-out utilizes the adjacent angled transition wall.  It also gains roughly 6 extra inches as it does not need to accommodate slide-out wall thickness and trim.  CLICK HERE to see our no-side 2350 dinette which helps to visualize what I am talking about, most especially the last picture.   Another benefit will be the extra large over-head cabinets.

You mentioned that you like the reduced width and height of a PC.  There you go.  Welcome to the club of people who find that attractive.  My wife Irene has no problem driving our PC because of that.  The reduced facial area also reduces drag and is more tolerant to wind gusts and such.  This head-on picture clarifies that.

General Discussion / Re: OCCC for 2910D and 2910T
« on: November 20, 2021, 12:40:41 pm »
Our research has only just begun and we still need to see a 2910T in person.  We are heading over to La Mesa RV in Tucson today to see a PC 2552 so that we can see for ourselves the quality of the Phoenix Cruiser workmanship.
That is a very good plan.  Check out a different model locally to examine general workmanship and the over-all dimensional feel.  Every PC has the same width and height.  Only the lengths vary.  You will learn a lot walking through a model you are not interested in.  You just might say something like...."We didn't realize how small a PC is." and decide to rule out every PC.  For some people, the smaller width and height are sought after.  For others, it's downsizing too much.  It can become a problem for exceptionally tall people.  6 feet with shoes on is about it before hitting your head on the a/c unit in the ceiling, and the shower against the side wall with sloping-down ceiling (which every model has) can be another point of contention, even considering the domed skylight.  But you have a shot at success with a 2910 D or T opening up the interior, as long as nobody is taller than 6 feet.  Of coarse, you also have to approve of the interior design in concept, general workmanship (fit and finish), and chosen materials.

Keep in mind that Hickory will be your hardest wood that resists damage the best.  We just bought a set of Amish bedroom furniture made of hickory and it is exceptionally good stuff.  Stained just right blends together the contrasting character without loosing the character.

Good luck kicking the tires on that 2552.  I would love to hear about your evaluation.

General Discussion / Re: OCCC for 2910D and 2910T
« on: November 20, 2021, 09:24:06 am »
A low mileage pre-owned 2910D with liquid springs could be very desirable if it’s not  a reliability issue.
I tend to agree.

As many here know, I don't care for any slide-outs to begin with, but even more so when they are on the passenger side intruding on critical outdoor living space.  A clean passenger-side wall with a full length awning is ideal to me.

Sorry for insulting some here.

General Discussion / Re: Tires
« on: November 19, 2021, 02:57:37 pm »
Two days ago on 11/17/2021 Michelin started offering a $70 rebate on a set of 4 tires.  You would need to look into if Michelin's rebate amount increases when buying more than 4 tires.

For our family sedan, I just bought THESE 4 Michelin tires from TireRack.  I should be getting a $70 rebate from Michelin in the form of a credit card thingy.  I selected the tire for the thread wear warranty of 60,000 miles and the "winter rating" even though they are classified as all-season tires.  We need extra help when slippery, getting up our long incline driveway and on the road.

General Discussion / Re: OCCC for 2910D and 2910T
« on: November 19, 2021, 07:57:10 am »
All OCCC numbers (now that I know what you are asking) are "make believe" numbers because they presume that occupants and cargo are evenly distributed over the axles.    That 1255 lbs mentioned above... Put 1,000 lbs of that in the rear bed and go weigh the vehicle.. You will be overloaded even though, in theory, you still have 255 more pounds capacity.

Yes, that's not a realistic load pattern, in real life it would me more spread out... But the long overhang of the 2910 "exaggerates" Any weight placed in the coach behind the rear axle itself.  So just view the coach's OCCC as a target that will lower unless you properly plan where things go.
Don, you hit the nail on the head.  That is EXACTLY the challenge everyone deals with.  Our 2350 with the short 158" wheel base and long rear overhang is no exception, in-fact quite extreme.  Model 2100 is exaggerated even worse.  In our case, the solution would be to travel with a minimal amount of fresh water of around 5 gallons, and of coarse no waste water.

I think the condition exists with every motorhome (regardless of brand) with a rear frame extension of which they all do.  The best PC for weight distribution are models 2551 and 2552, but even they don't get by scot-free.

General Discussion / Re: OCCC for 2910D and 2910T
« on: November 18, 2021, 09:16:31 pm »
I am surely no expert so please take this only as my fireside suggestion.

If I absolutely wanted model 2910T, I would buy one without Liquid Springs to avoid the extra weight (not available anyway), get the leveling jacks and extra capacity tires, and enjoy.  It seems motorhomes with the current slide-out mechanisms with synchronized motors, are very sensitive to being out-of level.  If the rig is not levelled before operating the slide-outs, they often develop problems.

General Discussion / Re: OCCC for 2910D and 2910T
« on: November 18, 2021, 09:12:43 am »
Not trying to be smart here but what's an OCCC?
It confuses me too.  it is Occupant and Cargo Carrying Capacity.

All I know is what our 2007 2350 weighs empty (pre-Alcoa wheels) at home with a tank full of gasoline and propane.

Here is our weigh-in during this past trip with our new Alcoa wheels.  Each Alcoa alloy wheel weighs 20 pounds less than a steel wheel for an over-all weight reduction of 80 pounds.  We weighed in at 100 pounds below GVWR for our 2007 E350 chassis which is 11,500 pounds.  GVWR is Gross Vehicle Weight Rating which means the max amount the rig should weigh after loading it up including occupants.

Due to our load distribution between front and rear axles, our 2007 E350's rear axle GAWR (Gross Axle Weight Rating) of 7800 pounds is exceeded by 420 pounds.  I don't fret over it because of the suspension upgrades done in back with a heavy duty rear stabilizer bar, heavy duty Bilstein shocks, and a rear trac bar.  Our chassis came without a rear stabilizer bar so the suspension upgrades must count for something.

Our over-weight condition would go away if we didn't carry a full tank of fresh water, but we carry it anyway.  Unlike model 2350 starting in 2008, our 2007 has the fresh water tank located as far back as possible, placed against the rear wall.  That throws our rear axle weight over the limit.  The leverage from the tank location, amplifies the weight, making the front axle lighter.  It is surely not ideal, but I think I took good care of it through the various suspension upgrades.

I share this as an example of how everyone should review their PC weight.  Not only for weight limits, but also to determine what tire pressure is required for each axle.

Art & Barb are asking a great question because model 2910T is the heaviest of PCs.  Know what you are getting into.

General Discussion / Re: Atwood water heater
« on: November 13, 2021, 09:47:29 pm »

I word of caution here.  If you manage to access the 110V heating element from inside the coach, "even though" you completely drain the tank from the outside, there remains about 1/2 gallon of water that rushes out inside the coach when removing the heating element.  So place enough absorbent rags to catch all the water.

Don't ask me how I know.  >(

General Discussion / Re: Custom RV Mattresses, anyone bought one for 2551?
« on: November 11, 2021, 03:09:13 pm »
FWIW:  We slept on our original PC-2350 soft mattress for roughly 10 years.  Being softer made it more difficult to get into and out from our rear corner model 2350 bed.  We purchased our replacement mattress through Walmart's website and cut to shape ourselves DETAILED HERE.  It has two layers, the main portion is 4.5" of firmer foam that is more firm than our original mattress was.  It is topped off with 1.5" of memory foam.  It has been a very affordable replacement that we are very pleased with it's improved comfort and also improved mobility concerning the limited access bed.

General Discussion / Re: Build quality on newer PC's
« on: November 05, 2021, 10:15:47 am »
Everything is going up.  Cost of fuel means transportation costs go up, cost of food means labor rates are going up.  Cost of parts means finished product costs go up.   EVERYTHING is eventually paid for by consumers.  Consumers pay all taxes, profits, costs of products, food, you name it... consumers pay for it.
Oh Don, We could turn this thread into a very political one.....I agree with you.

General Discussion / Re: Build quality on newer PC's
« on: November 05, 2021, 09:19:29 am »
Adding this statement: Having owned 9 rv's over the years, I can say that all manufactures could learn from Phoenix Cruiser USA. The build quality of our motor home surpasses all previous rv's. Considering supply chain problems, I wouldn't want to build anything that required hundreds of parts. From what I hear, PC is doing better than most. Just my 2 cents, Chuck
I am glad the quality of your new 2020 model is  2o2.  That is good to read.

The prices on new Phoenix Cruisers keep climbing, I assume in part due to the high demand (lack of) of motorhomes in-general from COVID and the supply chain being broken.  Adding sky-rocketing inflation now makes prices higher yet.

If Phoenix still built model 2350, it would have an MSRP of around $160,000 (a new 2100 MSRP is $156,000).  That is $82,000 higher MSRP than our 2007 2350, and we paid $67,205.  The way things are going, in a few years we could sell ours for what we paid for.  roflol  One thing certain, a Phoenix Cruiser is a sound investment compared to most other motorhomes.

General Discussion / Re: Roof Maintenance
« on: November 04, 2021, 08:27:44 am »
People with older PCs who keep them outside exposed to the elements, are noticing fine fiberglass hairs sticking up on the roof sheathing.  I imagine putting some kind of protectant, wax or otherwise on a disciplined basis, would prevent this breakdown of the sheathing.  Which protection is best is surely up for discussion.

I personally do not use any type of protectant, yet not seen the roof hair on our 2007 PC.  But our PC is always protected in our garage when at home, with temperatures maintained between 60 and 80 degrees throughout the year.

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