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General Discussion / Re: 2017 2910T Dinette Leaking From Rain
« on: December 02, 2019, 08:26:09 pm »
I've had a total of 5 leaks in my 2018, 2400. Bathroom window and patio light both leaked causing water to run down the wall. Water ran into the cab floor through the fire wall causing my shoes and socks to get wet, the cause was wiring run through the fire wall and not sealed. The other 2 leaks were in the slide. My previous 2 motorhomes had slides and never leaked in 420,000 miles. Slides don't leak if they're built right, Phoenix has a history of leaking slides. Grabbing the caulking gun and caulking every crack and cranny, hoping to hit the right spot usually doesn't work, plus it goops up your rv. Check under the slide awning, it may need to be removed to find and repair the leak, mine did. I've spent approximately 2000 dollars fixing leaks on my 1.5 year old PC and that doesn't include the warranty work the factory did. If you have the real wood floor, keep it dry or it will buckle, I THINK mine is ok. I ran a day of steady ran 2 wks ago and all was dry.

 

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General Discussion / Re: 2017 2910T Dinette Leaking From Rain
« on: December 02, 2019, 08:00:48 am »
DSaffer, does your slide leak when it's in or out?

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PC has treated me well, they stand behind there product and have never tried to avoid me. I guess I've had more problems than most. It happens. It's not good to have a lot of negativity on the forum so I'll stop posting problems. PC owners are very loyal to the brand and that's good.

  Lynn

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I'm probably a good example of a PC buyer: I never owned an RV before. I looked at many companies and models and was horrified at the quality of every RV I could afford.  (I didn't bother looking at the Class As.)  In many ways, the RV industry is like the home building industry:  if you pay more money, you get more space, not better quality.   I wanted a very high quality, compact motorhome that was configured to my needs and wants (no slide, a dinette, twin beds, lots of storage inside, etc.).  I went to the factory and was shown units in work that met every need.  I now own a 2018 2552 with no slide, with a dinette, two LONG twin beds, more storage than the regular 2552, and electrical outlets (110 and 12 volt) everywhere I asked for.  I drove it almost 12,000 miles the first year, with no repairs except a broken screen door lock, and a replacement was sent to me in Alaska as I was driving. 

Those who grumble about a lack of perfection may need to take a step back and look at real life.  Was your new home perfect?  Your new car?  Really?  My only question is why PC chose to associate with a dealer like Camper Inn, whose poor quality (read the reviews!) and location (the southeast only) would seem a poor choice.  But do I know what went into that decision?  No.  Would I like PC to survive to support my RV ten years down the road?  Yes.  Does picking nits on this forum support that goal?  I don't think so.
I must be the grumbler you're talking about. This is my 4th motorhome, I've put on just about 600,000 miles. My PC is 11 months old, odometer reads 31,262. I'm glad so many have had few problems. Here's my list.
Bathroom window leaked bad
Electric dump valves malfunctioned
Macerator stuck on
Valance over window fell down
Ordered plug in on side of closet, didn't get it
Panel pulled away from bathroom wall
Rubber seal on slide came unattached
Paint peeling on door frame, bad rust
Was told I didn't need E450, now rear sags and scrapes
Panel on entry door is delaminated
Water leak under bathroom sink, comes and goes
Arm rest came off passenger chair
TV arm doesn't click shut correctly
No radio reception on coach radio
Kitchen sink scratched up, looks like tools were put in it
Black tank 26% smaller than listed
Fresh water tank 42% smaller than listed
120 plug in pulled out of wall, it was broke into 3 pcs
4 way water valve turns very hard, doesn't seem right
cable on electric sofa broke, twice
screen door latch broke
Drivers side carpet is always wet, can't find where the water is coming from
NON PC PROBLEMS
Door fell off fridge, it hit the floor
Microwave replaced
Furnace replaced
Stove top soots up
Does this sound like I'm picking nits? I wish I could be more positive. I would expect this from Thor or Forest River. I hope PC survives but when I see PC's listed on Campers Inn for more than double what Gulfstream, Thor, and Forest River goes for, I wonder.

 Lynn    P.S. I wrote the check, I'm stuck with the problems, I think maybe I can grumble.

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General Discussion / Re: Quality
« on: February 20, 2019, 05:41:16 pm »
I'm still here, no new problems, things are running smoothly thanks for listening.

  Lynn

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General Discussion / Re: Quality
« on: February 15, 2019, 09:10:23 pm »
Volkemon, you surprise me, you give me a big pat on the back for posting my problems, now you've seem to change your mind. As you can tell I'm hi strung and excitable. When things aren't right I'll tell you about it, that's just me. You said you missed the part about PC owners defending PC. You did, in your last post you said there is a caveat, Specs and items can be subject to change. PC didn't change there specs or capacities, it's been wrong since before I bought one. I don't think they are doing this on purpose, I think an honest mistake was made long ago and it should be corrected. You say my attitude is bad, you are correct on that.  You are also correct about the number of posters on the forum, this forum has more than most. I called out Ron and Jatrax because they suggested I get rid of my PC and move on, that made me mad. No one should have to get rid of a 10 month old PC because of problems and lose a lot of money in the process. I don't know what you mean by (flown the THEY won't let this continue flag. Haven't you been expected to be banned before) I've gone over all my posts, I've posted more than I thought. One thing I've noticed is I've repeated myself a lot about some of my problems, everyone is probably getting tired of hearing about it, that's why they told me to move on, I get it. PC service is great, the guys in the office and shop are great, I'm not complaining about that, I just don't think I should need so much service and repairs on a 10 month old PC, that's why I sold my View with 239,000 miles, to avoid all the repairs. Most of all I'm disappointed in myself for believing my PC would be close to trouble free. The rv industry is poor quality, I knew that and I shouldn't have expected so much. I will let you have the last post, I won't reply.
  Lynn

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General Discussion / Re: Quality
« on: February 13, 2019, 08:19:07 am »
Thanks Cal, I was told at the factory that the tanks could be plumbed so both valves could be worked manually.

   Lynn

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General Discussion / Re: Quality
« on: February 12, 2019, 04:25:32 pm »
I wasn't trying to make everyone mad, I'm telling you my experience with PC. I agree, I'm complaining a lot. I'm not new to rving. I've bought new a 1991 23 ft Allegro class c 7.3 diesel 117,000 mi., 2006 View 178,000 mi, and 2011 View 239,000 mi. I don't winterize, I run year round. My last View was poor quality so I read the reviews and looked closely on line and ordered the PC. I expected a few small problems, I've had over 20 things that needed attention, most of them were not major repairs. A new one came up today, water leaking in on the cab floor, could be PC or Ford problem. PC has fixed my problems, I'll be going back this spring for repairs, My warranty is until April 10. I don't hate my PC, I like it, I'm tired of the surprises and disappointed with information I received and didn't receive from PC. I told one of the PC owners at Duluth that there tank capacities were off by quite a bit and they really needed to update that, I see it feel on deaf ears. I don't understand why owners on the forum defend PC for this incorrect information. I'd think it would be to everyone's benefit to have the correct specs. I think I could learn to like the maceorator if it was dependable. I believe PC has had this dump system for years, mine starting having problems shortly after I got it. Most forums have 2 or 3 people who do most the posting, I see the PC forum is no different. I have 30,000 miles on my 2018 2400, I will not be selling it and taking a 20,000 dollar or more loss. I've had the 2 most frequent posters disagree with me so that's probably the end of this thread.

  Lynn
 

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General Discussion / Quality
« on: February 12, 2019, 08:27:10 am »
I've been reading old posts. turns out I'm not the only one disappointed in PC quality. I see another owner checked the capacity of the 23 gal tank and came up with 17. Why doesn't PC change that information? I also noticed a lot of problems with maceorator and dump valves. PC is the only builder that uses this. Can anyone tell me what the benefits of an electric dump valve are? I unhooked one of mine and it's faster and trouble free plus you can feel if the valve is working freely. I think anyone who ordered a PC last year was left in Limbo. When I ordered, not one suggestion was made about options or custom work, not even a mention about the spare tire being an option. Turns out both salesmen quit and new buyers were on there own. I expected better.   

  Lynn

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General Discussion / Re: Small Black Tank
« on: February 07, 2019, 07:01:52 pm »
I do think that forum members should be mostly positive towards PC. They are neat motorhomes. I could be more positive if things stopped going wrong. 2 wks ago the armrest came off the cab chair, no idea how to reattach, last wk water was running from under the bathroom sink, couldn't find the source, I was hooked up to city water, I unhooked and leak stopped. Macerator has quit, black dump valve was out of time,I unhooked it. grey dump valve did the same but now works fine, don't know why, I noticed the wide white door frame has peeling paint and rust spots. This is what's gone wrong since Nov. 2018. I had 2 trips to Elkhart for repairs before that. I hope problems are coming to an end. My friend who bought the BT Cruiser has had similar problems.

  Lynn

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General Discussion / Re: Small Black Tank
« on: February 06, 2019, 11:08:29 pm »
Ron, that sounds like an inconvenience for you. A friend of mine bought a BT Cruiser at the same time I bought my PC. It has the same basic floor plan. The black and gray tanks are rated 38 gal each. Even if they're a little smaller than advertised, they would still be a lot larger than PC's tanks. He paid 36,000 dollars less than what I paid for my PC. I think I made an expensive mistake.

   Lynn

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General Discussion / Small Black Tank
« on: February 06, 2019, 10:46:56 pm »
My 2400 has the black tank rated at 23 gallons, it's actual capacity is 17 gallons. We can go for 5 days without dumping then it is FULL. We've been on the road since Nov. 21 and having to plan around dumping the black tank is a hassle. If I had the macerator removed it looks like a larger black tank could be installed. I have no real need for the macerator, it's not even functional at the moment. I would have PC do the work. Is this mod possible? Since the original tank is 6 gallon smaller than advertised, I'd ask for the tank and labor be done under warranty. Does this sound doable.

  Lynn

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General Discussion / Re: Standard vs Option
« on: January 23, 2019, 09:24:24 am »
Our 2013 2552 double door wardrobe has the factory installed light. We never use it. Interesting question, though. Are you missing the light?
We didn't get a light in our big closet, all the photos I've looked at show a light in the closet. I'm wondering if anyone inspects the coaches while they're being built to see that everything is installed. What exactly is standard ? It looks like you have to ask about furnishings electrical plug ins, lights, light switches, everything when you order. We have installed a couple of cheep battery lights but they go dim fast and sometimes we forget to shut them off and there're dead next time we use them. I had no idea PC did so much custom work until after I ordered. It looks like not everyone gets the same standard features.

   Lynn

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General Discussion / Standard vs Option
« on: January 22, 2019, 01:59:38 pm »
The owners who have the double door closet, do you have a factory light in the closet? Did it come that way or was it an option?

  Lynn

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General Discussion / Re: PC news from Tampa
« on: January 18, 2019, 09:47:18 pm »
I take some blame for not getting the E450. I called PC after I ordered and asked if I should get the E450 over the E350. I was told the 2400 should be fine on the E350 but it was my call. The E450 was 1800 dollars more and would ride stiffer. The roads where I go are very rough in a lot of places so I went with the E350, then 2 or 3 months after I bought PC made the announcement that all PCs except the 2100 would come standard with the E450. This is where the lack of communication comes in.

  Lynn

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