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General Discussion / Roof top carrier
« on: March 08, 2014, 09:50:31 am »
Hopefully, next week is the end of our winter here in Oklahoma City. Today: snow!  Monday:  74 degrees.  Welcome to "normal" on the Southern Plains. 

We certainly look forward to many adventures in our PC2350, but we are dealing with the limited exterior storage available compared to our previous RV (Roadtrek 210 Class B).  Two alternatives come to mind, the easiest being a hitch carrier.   We have used them before, but the design of the PC would cause the license plate to be covered.  The solution is either a drop hitch receiver to pick up a few inches or something like a StowAway that allows the plate to be secured on it and lighted as well.   Since we will be just toting camper junk, I really prefer a cheap carrier and have used them in the past.

Second, that roof has some nice room up at the top of the ladder.  My old Sears roof carrier I used on a Jeep GC many years ago is hanging from the ceiling in the garage and the colors even match the PC.   Wouldn't take much modification to make that work. 

My question:  has anyone installed a roof storage container and if so, how did you secure it?   Drilling into the roof gives me pause and simply strapping down to the ladder rail bars on the roof would probably be really  inadequate.  I have no idea what might lurk in the roof (wiring? etc.) and I am not sure of its structural makeup for securing something like a storage box. 

In any event, of course, only really light weight stuff would be put up there.  When you are dry camping you just need (or at least we do) more "stuff" than fits into that one exterior storage area on the 2350.


General Discussion / Re: 2013 Honda CR-V battery discharged after tow
« on: December 27, 2013, 09:11:33 am »
I have never towed.  Period.  BUT, now that I have the 2350 as opposed to my Class B Roadtrek, I am very seriously considering towing something, hopefully a Jeep.   The more I read and the more I research, the more "skeered" I get!!    That is a lot more for me to learn it seems.  I keep hearing about all these technical issues towing and finding out a whole lot of things I never knew or even thought about.   

So, I am going to keep reading and learning and when I get my mind full of questions, I am going to start asking them on this forum.   You folks are great.   My wife may have a simpler solution:   just follow the PC driving our current vehicle (Jeep GC that weight exceeds the towing capacity of our unit) and avoid the worries and expense of all the towing gear, reduced mpg on the coach, etc.     Our camping is mostly within a couple of hundred miles during most of the year and we make one or two trips a year out to the mountains to avoid the summer heat.   We normally stay a couple of weeks on each of those trips.   So, I think we may just try having her follow me for our summer trip to Northern New Mexico from Oklahoma City next year and see how that works out before getting into the towing mode.   Not needing to tow was a tremendous advantage in our Roadtrek, and in reality the PC 2350 is not that much larger of a footprint.   We will, I bet, figure out a plan by summer. 

General Discussion / Re: Starting the genset
« on: December 27, 2013, 08:59:18 am »
Over the years I have come to this conclusion:  cranking those gensets a few times is just the way things work.   Personally, I fire up the coach and let it run a couple of minutes before attempting to start the generator, but only if the gen has not been started in a couple of weeks.   Once it runs a while, it starts very well on a short crank for camping in subsequent days.   

I adjust the altitude mechanism if we are going to gain over a few thousand feet, otherwise I pay no attention to it.  One of our favorite summer campsites is over 10,000 feet and we live at 1052 feet, so you can see why I pay attention to the setting.

Most importantly, in my experience, is running that puppy at least every thirty days for an hour or so under some kind of load.   I see these scary ads all the time for a six or seven year old coach with very low mileage and "only 18 hours on the generator" or something like that.  I just assume a couple of grand worth of troubles for the buyer.

General Discussion / Re: Tow a Grand Cherokee with a PC 2350 (Ford)?
« on: December 08, 2013, 07:17:13 pm »
Bobander, you are exactly in line with what we are thinking.  We want to do some more offroad exploration.   We spend most of our rving time boondocking in some really great places and are hikers.  At seventy, I would like to explore more and hike less.   ;)

Your picture near Ouray is a perfect example of why we are looking at a Wrangler.  Our tent days are over so we might as well ride as hike, at least part of the time.  The back seat?  Well, that is for gear and Sally Ann the Wonder Dog.  


General Discussion / Re: Tow a Grand Cherokee with a PC 2350 (Ford)?
« on: December 07, 2013, 09:14:18 am »
Interesting discussion because I have been thinking about whether to tow and what to tow.   We have a 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the Hemi and it is just to heavy to tow.   No question about that in my mind.   We want somethinig we can use on rough National Forest roads and in the backcountry, so a Jeep Wrangler probably would work best.   I don't know about the rest of the country, but they are REAL proud of those around here (I am talking about used).   I want one pre 2006 so I can get the old straight six engine.   Literally and truly, I can buy a Liberty for about half what a Wrangler costs in the early 2000s models.   I was pretty shocked when I discovered this fact.   I have driven Cherokees and Grand Cherokees for five vehicles over twenty something years and I just had never paid attention to Wrangler prices.   

Also, a lot of the Wranglers have really been treated harshly, compromised and customized.   I am trying to convince my wife she would appear 20 years younger driving a Wrangler than her car.  She ain't buying it.   :'(

General Discussion / Re: Time for a new computer but what?
« on: November 20, 2013, 09:30:37 am »
I think most of us have faced the same problem over the years:  which computer will work best for me?  Sorta like deciding on an RV.  What works for one is not necessarily appropriate for someone else. 

I have an IPhone 5, an IPad, a HP laptop and a Dell PC.   I still do "a little work" so I still maintain the Dell PC for office stuff.   Frankly, I am not as big an Apple fan as most.  My first "computer" was an Olivetti 101.  They were an Italian company and made a specialized computer that did financial calculations in the early 70s.  It cost a bundle and was about the size of three PCs.  Now, you can do anything it did on a ten dollar calculator.  Times change. 

I find the Apple mobile products frustrating because they don't recognize Flash and some other PC developed software.  Photos?   I am simple.   I keep them on the PC and back them up to a flash drive and an external hard drive.  My photo software of choice is a freebie from Google called Picasa.   It does all I need to do and is simple as dirt. 

I appreciate the big screen of a PC and I like the mobility of an IPad.   Mine is wifi and cellular both.

If I had to choose one machine and one only, it would probably  be a laptop with a good resolution screen.   Then, I could wifi just like the Ipad at McDonalds and Starbucks and I could read any file just like a PC.   Tablet battery life is incredible on my IPad and sorry on my laptop.   I have had several laptops over the years and find that always to be my luck battery wise.

We do traveling besides RVing and it is much easier, of course, to carry a tablet and pass through security than to make the trip with a laptop.  But it just frustrates me that Apple doesn't use many PC  software products and thus limit my useage.   Who can argue with success?   Apple has done an incredible job.    I don't know if the Samsung tablets are more PC compatable than Apple but I understand they are in fact.   That being true, take a look at some of their and other non Apple tablets. 

I think I will solve my problem easily:   just run down all the "Battreys" and throw away the chargers!!  Maybe buy a roll of stamps.  I understand you don't even have to lick 'em anymore roflol.


General Discussion / Re: First trip on our 2350: a report
« on: November 14, 2013, 10:04:27 am »
I think those car tents are for folks that don't know what a bear can do to a tent! :-D

Jeep came out a few years ago with an "official accessory" of a tent that fastened to the back of the Grand Cherokee.   You flipped the rear seats down, slept in the vehicle and set up camp in the tent.  Vans have had similar accessories that clip a tent to the opened side door.   I think a lot of variations of that theme are availabe for various vehicles.   Me?  I have had too many bears, skunks, bob cats  and other assorted critters in my camps over the years to not require a hardside between me and nature.   Age, alas, rejects canvas.  Those walls on our PC sure give assurance.  By the way, we never travel without bear spray...........good for two legged ones also. 

General Discussion / Re: First trip on our 2350: a report
« on: November 13, 2013, 08:44:49 am »
Over  thirty years of owning small motorhomes, my understanding and recollection in the B, B+, C discussion is one of marketing as opposed to manufacturer's classifications.   In the most pure and proper sense of the word, a Class B starts out as a van chassis.   Originally, Chevy 2500 and 3500 vans were the most popular to use for this purpose, along with the old Dodge vans of the same series numbers.  Fords were used by some companies but in fewer numbers because of the structure (layout, design) of the chassis made conversion more difficult, particularly if the unit was lowered.    In the larger (longer) Bs, the 3500 series was lengthened but stayed in character as a van.   Any true B is a van conversion and it may have been raised, lowered or lengthened.  

Class Cs traditionally had a bunk over the cab.   They were built on either a Ford (most popular), Chevy or Dodge TRUCK chassis as opposed to a VAN chassis.  There were a few exceptions or "exotics" like the little Toyota Dolphin.   Still, over the cab was a bunk (hopefully not the only bed because it was no fun to crawl up into that thing and sleep unless you had served in the Navy on a submarine).  

About a dozen years ago a new design of interior layout came out in a couple of models, most notably Trail Light and BT Cruiser lines.   They took a C of any size, provided sleeping accommodations on the deck, and used the area over the cab as an "entertainment center" with storage on either side of an analog tv.   Thus, no over the cab bunk.   They also rounded the corners to spiff up the exterior design appeal. To market this design of what is only a modified C, they came up with a generic designation that reflected the change and created a marketing buzz:   B+.    Sounds like something new, but really only a C with a different configuration.    Additionally the new design was built with a more aerodynamic skin than the traditional C.   Cs had mostly 90 degree corners and the new design rounded the corners at the top and on the forward sides of the shell.   Thus, this design was called B+ to differentiate it from the old square, bed over cab C.   But you could call it a monkey, a Z, or a Q++...............it was still according to RVIA (Recreational Vehicle Industry Association) designated a C.

I owned three Bs over the years and all the B forum guys go nuts when someone uses the term B+.   They tend to be purist and just go bozos when someone uses the term B+

To complicate the issue even more, the Sprinter chassis came into vogue and it comes in a Van (B) configuration for conversion and a Truck (C) for conversion.  

We researched small motorhomes for two years prior to making the decision that we wanted to buy a Phoenix Cruiser.   The design is, in a word, cool!   A few inches less wide than most Cs, more attractive overall design, well constructed and finished and certainly not as tall as most Cs which look like a Premium Saltine Cracker box sitting on six tires.  

I have laughed for a decade at all the animated conversations about these designations on the B forums.   My view is simple:  get what fits your pistol, go out on the road and enjoy North America!

General Discussion / Re: Noisy converter?
« on: November 12, 2013, 04:06:50 pm »
Having just returned from our very first trip in our 2350, we survived one night and one night only with the sound of that fan.  After that first night, I threw the breaker on the site electric box before bed time and turned it back on next morning.   Since it is underneath the corner bed, I think I will just pull the bed supporting platform up and take a look.   We mostly boondock, so it is not going to be a problem but man that little fella is LOUD. 


General Discussion / Re: First trip on our 2350: a report
« on: November 12, 2013, 04:02:20 pm »
Barry and Sue, in regard to the Crater of Diamonds State Park in Arkansas:  we had a little 14 year old gal from Oklahoma City find a pretty impressive stone about three weeks ago.    Would you believe 3.85 carats!  They were going to sell it and put the dough in her college fund.   We have never been down there but now that we have a dry bath we have that on the list   :lol


General Discussion / First trip on our 2350: a report
« on: November 11, 2013, 11:12:43 am »
We bought a 2013 PC2350 from a guy less than three miles from our house two months ago.  Unfortunately, circumstances delayed our using the new unit until last week.  During the intervening time, I checked out all the systems thoroughly.   Just thought I might share with the forum a few observations.

Our previous RV was a 2007 Roadtrek 210P dollied out with all the options and goodies.   We loved and still do love our RT.   We just decided to try something a little bigger and see how we did with it, now that I am retired and have more time to spend traveling.  We have owned small Class Cs in the past, the most recent experience being a Gulfstream BT Cruiser until we bought our RT in 2006.

This trip was a total of a little less than six hundred miles from Oklahoma City over to Magazine Mountain State Park in Arkansas, the highest point in the state and a state park we have enjoyed for years.  If you ever go, get reservations!  Only 18 sites for camping and a view from the top of 50 or 60 miles in every direction.  The foliage, by the way, was at its peak and about the best year for leaves we have seen in AR in a very long time. 

We were surprised at how well the PC drove and handled.  I had read several posts on this forum about wondering and stability problems, but experienced none of that.    About 450 miles of this shakedown cruise was on Interstate 40 and the crosswinds were 20+ most of the time, broadside, and of course truck traffic is relentless on that road.   The remaining trip was twisty/turney Arkie roads, all very well maintained but typical hilly/mountain head spinners to us flatlanders.   The PC handled much better than anticipated.   I did find the steeper grades to be a bit of a challenge, but that is what downshifting an automatic with your foot is all about.  We spend a month or so in the Rockies in the summer so that will be interesting to see how grades are handled at 10-12,000 feet.   Gas mileage?  I didn't calculate because of an error in filling the tank prior to departure, but I would guess around 9+ and I was driving about 65mph on the Interstate.   That is about 40% less than we would achieve in our Roadtrek. 

Laying in the corner bed the first night, my wife declared it was a quarter mile to the dash!  After seven years in a RT, it did seem like a far piece up there!  We arrived in a dense fog and experienced that same weather the next day.  That made the additional space in the PC a real luxury to us former B people.  A bad weather day or two can get quite dicey in a B.

We found the luxury of a dry bath simply that:  a luxury.   We did confirm what we thought we knew all along and that is that the inside storage in the 2350 is, believe it or not, less than the storage in the RT 210 and not quite as useful for our needs.  The RT was equipped with the armoire option.   The outside storage for camping was not quite as good, IMO, as the RT.  We knew that going into the purchase so no surprise, just confirmation.   My wife claims that the interior storage is about the same, just much differntly arranged.  RT is the only manufacturer I know that states the cubic volume of the storage for each model on their specs.   The solution is simple:  I am going to convert one of the two wardrobes in the 2350 to shelves.   We prefer to store our clothing folded and flat, finding that more manageable than a crowded small closet.   We did the same thing in our RT when we got it and it made a world of sense to us and worked out very well.  Some folks would not find this to be true, I am sure, so it is just a matter of personal preference.   Adjustable shelves in most of the cabinets would make a lot of difference in useability for us. 

As to fit and finish, the RT wins the race.   Class Cs are just not finished to the degree of Class Bs from what I have seen over the years.   The PC is nicely finished, just less so than the RT in my personal opinion.  HOWEVER, it is much better built and finished than most Cs we have seen.  Now, I have been a wood worker all my life so my standards are a little higher and more peculiar than most.   By the way, looking at new RTs at RV shows, I don't think their fit and finish is nearly as good as our 2007 model.  Roadtrek is  building more and more units and that is the inevitable price of volume.

What we have is, as expected, a trade off:  more personal space and room in the PC than the RT.  The cost of that is less convenience of parking and driving and higher operational costs.   Since we plan on boondocking virtually all the time, I can see a toad in our future (probably a good used Wrangler). 

Yesterday was a beautiful 65 degree fall day.  Tuesday night it will be down to 23 so Sunday was the time to first winterize.   Our Roadtrek had lived in a HVAC controlled garage at our house for seven years and we never had to winterize.  Having owned Cs in the past, I could recall the drill.   I prefer to use my air compressor to fully evacuate the lines and then use the "pink stuff".  Boy did I do overkill this first time!   I don't want to take any chances.   

In summary, we really love our new 2350 and look forward to many happy years of use.  I have compared it in this post to our old Roadtrek as a reference because I know a lot of B owners that yearn for more and C owners that yearn to just pop into a parking place anywhere.  A B or small C is just a matter of personal preference and each has its virtues and limitations.

 I would constructively suggest to PC that they update and expand their manual.  RV manuals are usually pretty generic, but the PC manual really needs an upgrade.  I feel sorry for any purchaser that has no previous RV experience.   He or she better have a good friend in the neighborhood that is an RVer!  Again, the Roadtrek experience spoiled me because the manual is very specific and expanded, including electrical schematics and blownup schematics of plumbing showing every connection.   Of course, in a B getting to anything to work on requires a contortionist and a two foot tall one at that.   Working on the PC will be a breeze after those experiences. 

General Discussion / Re: More Questions from a Newbie
« on: September 24, 2013, 07:24:26 pm »
Anode?   What anode?   I have never had an rv that had a hot water tank that did not use an anode.  I have always replaced them long before most folks do, figuring they are a heck of a lot cheaper than a new tank.    I didn't know that Atwood has no anode.

Has that worked OK for everybody?   Anyone ever just pull that drain plug and put an anode in there?   The plug appears to be 1 inch and I am used to a (as I recall) a 1 1/8 plug on my previous rv with a Suburban.    Maybe I just worry too much!!


General Discussion / Re: Questions from a Newbie
« on: September 20, 2013, 08:48:21 am »
Thanks to all for your responses.   I suspect I will have a few additional "discoveries" and it is nice to know this forum can be so helpful. 

As to the rocker switch on the panel to provide momentary charging, I have always just carried a good pair of heavy duty battery cables, assuming if trouble came about I would start the generator and then jump from the coach batteries to the chassis battery.  The switch could be really convenient and is a nice feature. 

One of the fun things I did was taking the "Remove by Owner Only" tags off the generator.  I don't think the previous owner had ever even looked at the genset, but it did have a dozen hours on it.  Since he stored it in a garage and the unit is only ten months old, I am sure the lack of use/exercise didn't make much difference in that short time frame.  Another fun thing, the original protection wrap had never been removed from the floor mats, and that plastic wrap shows no scuff marks or abrasions.   Talk about "light useage".   

Again, thanks!

Oklahoma City

General Discussion / Questions from a Newbie
« on: September 19, 2013, 04:26:01 pm »
We bought our 2013 2350 a couple of weeks ago from a guy locally that owned it only for a few months.   I have been going over it with a fine comb trying to understand all the systems.  The seller furnished me the "manual" which is very abbreviated and generic.   This is not our first motorhome so I can figure out most of the stuff myself with a little investigation and reading.  

A couple of things I need help with:
We bought our 2013, 2350 a couple of weeks ago from a guy locally that owned it only for a few months and wanted a Class A.   I have been going over it with a fine comb trying to understand all the systems.  The seller furnished me the "manual" which is very abbreviated and generic.   This is not our first motorhome so I can figure out most of the stuff myself with a little investigation and reading.  I also got all the stuff for the appliances and systems. 

A few things I need help with:

1.  There is a rocker switch that has been installed by PC on the lower dash immediately to the left of the steering column.   It seems to activate something under the hood.  Is this a temporary transfer switch to start the vehicle with the coach battery in case of failure of the chassis battery?   That is the only thing I could think of.  What is this switch?

2.  In the rear exterior storage area there are three pvc valves mounted to the right side of the cabinet which I assume are the low point drains.  Is that correct?   Is there any "trick" or "secrets" to winterizing that are unique to PCs?

3.  Is there a bypass for the water heater and if so, where is it located? 

4.  The inverter is 1800 watts and I suspected that it ran more than just the tvs and entertainment systems, but I was apparently incorrect.   My refrig is two way and I am use to a three way, using DC only to run down the road.  I was hoping the inverter would operate the refrig 110v AC heating element (normally only a 200-400 watt element) but I guess it does not.   I used a voltmeter and determined which AC outlets are wired to the inverter.   I was also hoping the inverter could be used for the microwave but apparently not wired there either, which makes sense because someone would surely try to run the convection side also and that would blow the overload.

5.  In regard to the refrig, I assume with these two ways (I have not had anything but a three way) you just run down the road on gas like the trailer folks do.  Or, just keep the doors shut for a short trip and keep the thing shut off.   That is not an option with my wife!   

If anyone could please respond to my questions, I would be very appreciative..............and I hope I have posted this in the correct spot, since I am new to this forum.


General Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself!
« on: September 16, 2013, 10:57:11 am »
Well, after spending two years researching we bought a 2013 2350 Phoenix Cruiser (Ford).   We have owned a 2007 Roadtrek since it was new and have owned two other Cs and 2 other Bs over a period of thirty years.    We had decided to fly up to Chicago, get a car and come over and spec out a new 2350 but quite accidentally discovered one on Craig's List (which I almost never read).  Turned out it was a guy less than three miles from our house who had gotten into RVing three years ago and this Phoenix was his third unit while he tried to determine what best met their travel needs.  He had ordered out the 2350 with wood floors, slide, full body paint and some other things I would have loved to have but probably would not have ordered due to budget.   In any event, this baby has less than 7500 miles and was kept garaged at his place of business.   We picked it up and I spent one day going over all the systems in my driveway on a hot 93 degree day with humidity.  I can attest to this fact:  the AC works well!  We had other commitments last week out of town, so this week I will roll out the PC and detail it out, crawl around underneath and get more familiar with everything. 

I am sure we will really enjoy our new unit!  Incredibly, if you look at the footprint, a 2350 is only a foot longer than our Roadtrek 210 and only 5 inches wider (using the specs from both RT and PC websites).  The difference in room is amazing, particularly with the slide.   We look forward to a dry bath and a bed as well as the larger tanks because we boondock most of the time.

Now, if I can just figure out all those switches................... roflol

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