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Main Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: JSanford on March 29, 2021, 05:35:45 pm
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Quick question: I'm a new 2021 Model 2552 owner and I can't seem to get anything to work with shore power connected to my house with a dogbone splitter to household 110 amps. What will the 110 power up in the Phoenix assuming it actually connects. So far I haven't been able to determine if it is actually supplying any power to the RV. Thanks.
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Hmm, It sounds like something is switched off. There is a switch by the entry door to turn on 12V to the entire interior. Try that. Also make sure every 110V breaker is turned on. The indicator that you have 110V operating is the clock on your microwave oven.
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Agree with Ron, the microwave display will generally be a good indicator of shore power.
And be sure all 'switches' are on. 2o2
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If your supply is only 15 amp and from a garage outlet, you may have popped the GFI or breaker in the garage.
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Thanks for the replies. Right now I'm hooked up to 50 amp so not a problem. I'm not aware of a 12V switch by the entry door on the 2552. I will investigate. Another question is when to actually have the inverter turned on. Only on battery power or just leave it on all the time? Thanks.
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With the reference to the "switch by the entry door to turn on 12 volts", Ron was referring to the main house battery disconnect switch located on the end of the cabinets immediately to your left when you open the coach entry door. If the 2021 models are identical to earlier units (and I'm sure they are), on the cabinet end there are some (3) rocker switches and one large rotating switch that rotates 90 degrees. That rotating switch is the main disconnect for the house batteries, and when rotated clockwise it connects the batteries to the coach electrical system; when rotated counter-clockwise it disconnects the house batteries from the coach.
Regarding your question about the inverter. As I'm sure you know, the inverter has one purpose--to provide 110 Volt AC electricity to some of your equipment and some of your outlets when you have no other source for AC voltage. When you are hooked to external power, or are running your generator, those provide AC power to the coach. When neither external power or the generator is used, you can power some of your AC needs from your house batteries by turning on the inverter. That converts the 12 volts DC from the house battery system to 110 volts AC and supplies it to some of your circuits. There is really no need to leave your inverter switched on unless you are using it to power your coach. I think the best practice is to leave it switched off when using external or generator power, and only turn it on when you actually need it to supply AC voltage--when you are underway on the road, or parked without external hookup or generator.
Mike
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The inverter is of no use if you are plugged into shore power. It is to convert 12v to 110v when not connected to shore power. It uses power even when not needed, so not a good idea to leave it on.
I'm curious as to your source of 50 amp at your house. Did you have a 50 amp outlet installed for your RV, or are you using a clothes dryer outlet? Very few homes have a 50 amp in the garage, unless it is 220v, in my experience.
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Good catch regarding the 50 amp at home. I don't park my rig at home. Protective covenants won't allow it. I am fortunate to have a spot at my brother-in-law's commercial building where he had 50amp service installed for a previous RV he had.
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Good catch regarding the 50 amp at home. I don't park my rig at home. Protective covenants won't allow it. I am fortunate to have a spot at my brother-in-law's commercial building where he had 50amp service installed for a previous RV he had.
We'll, several things you need to do.
Is the 50a outlet at your brother-in-law's commercial building turned on? As in the circuit breaker to it ON? Are you handy with a voltage meter? If so, test the voltage between the bottom slot (neutral) and either side slot (hot) which should read 120v. Test both side slots, one at a time.
No power on either one or both? Have your BIL get an electrician to fix.
If they BOTH show power, move on to the next step.
Now, plug in the 50a to 30a dogbone. There will be 2 angled slots and one uo/down slot. Test the voltage between the two angled slots, it should be 120v. If not, get a new dogbone. If so go to next step.
Plug your shore power cable into your PC's power socket and plug into dogbone. Are you getting any power in the RV at the 120v outlets? Is the microwave display on? If not, check your power panel, flip all breakers OFF. Then, starting with the breaker labeled Main, flip them On.
If that still doesn't give you power to the outlets... You have a wiring problem, call your dealer and have them fix it under warranty.
Don
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Thanks to all for replies. 50 amp power at the commercial building is working as it should and is not a concern. I'm just wondering if my fancy $70 dog bone could be the problem when attempting to go from 50A to 110 at my house. It says on the 110 side of the dogbone that it won't work with a GFCI outlet. I will still experiment with other outlets the next time I bring the rig home.
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Thanks to all for replies. 50 amp power at the commercial building is working as it should and is not a concern. I'm just wondering if my fancy $70 dog bone could be the problem when attempting to go from 50A to 110 at my house. It says on the 110 side of the dogbone that it won't work with a GFCI outlet. I will still experiment with other outlets the next time I bring the rig home.
Not sure what you bought for $70, but something like this at $17 is what you need.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075RMXXF1?pf_rd_r=MJ67NKPJGM47NR6FP8WJ&pf_rd_p=89879054-2e37-4233-9fd7-bd5a93dd076a&pd_rd_r=c79ba674-acb1-4b96-93f5-510f3f98e6f3&pd_rd_w=6dASG&pd_rd_wg=nx1qW
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Your question if to leave your inverter powered on all the time may be confusing to some. The inverter has a internal transfer switch. If you have 120 volts supplied to your coach the inverter will allow the power to simply pass through to power the 4 outlets and possibly the microwave depending on how it was wired. If 120 volts is not supplied you can simply turn on the inverter at the switch located by the generator control. This will shift the transfer switch and convert 12 volts from the battery to 120 volts powering the 4 outlets (tv, outside, bathroom and kitchen sink).
So my point is there are 2ea 120 volt circuit breakers in your power panel. Power into the inverter and out of the inverter. These breakers need to be on to power the 120 volt outlets. If you are not connected to shore power and want those outlets powered, your house battery (12 volts) supplies the inverter which makes 120 volts for the 4 outlets. The inverter is turned on like I said above at the panel by the generator control.
My 2552 had the Xantrex 1800 watt modified sign wave but I changed it to a Magnum 2000 watt pure sign wave so I can run the microwave.
Not sure if this helps but this setup can get somewhat confusing.
Good luck and welcome to the Phoenix Cruiser Family.
Lance
The 2ea 120 volt circuit breakers should be on all the time. There is no reason to turn them off.
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If the 3-prong 110 volt type extension cord you are using at home works with some other 110 electrical item on that outlet, then it has to be the pricey dogbone adapter or the GFI. The GFI may be in some other location on the same circuit or in the breaker panel.
I'd sure like to see a picture or a web link of the what you called a splitter, but I assume it is an adapter.
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My 2552 had the Xantrex 1800 watt modified sign wave but I changed it to a Magnum 2000 watt pure sign wave so I can run the microwave.
Out microwave isn't on an inverter outlet. Did you rewire?
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Our microwave isn't on the inverter either. Somehow this conversation has taken a different turn. lol The question I had was that the 110 portion of the dogbone wasn't working and I wasn't sure why. It's not a big deal but the dogbone was expensive and I felt like it should work.
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I saw where the question was asked should I leave my inverter on.... This is why I replied with the basic operation of the inverter. Figured it might explain how it need the 120V breakers to allow the 4 outlets to be powered. He says that he can't get power from his new dog bone... Maybe he has plugged something into one of the 4 outlets and a breaker is turned off to the inverter....
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Our microwave isn't on the inverter either. Somehow this conversation has taken a different turn. lol The question I had was that the 110 portion of the dogbone wasn't working and I wasn't sure why. It's not a big deal but the dogbone was expensive and I felt like it should work.
Is there ANY way you can post a picture? A link to where one can buy the 'dogbone' you have? I believe that this (picture below) is similar to what people are imagining you have - Like Donc13 posted before. I did not see your answer to his post.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71dsm8kGwyL._AC_SX450_.jpg)
You evidently have more. The post title reads "50 amp to dogbone splitter to 110 amp". I am ASSUMING you mean 110 VOLT not amp. Correct me if I am wrong, please.
You also said
" It says on the 110 side of the dogbone that it won't work with a GFCI outlet. I will still experiment with other outlets the next time I bring the rig home."
Thats muddies up the water. This '110 side' ... is it a Male (prongs poking out to plug into something) or a Female (holes to plug something into) ?
I have seen warnings like that on things that plug INTO a 110V outlet, AKA 'Male' plugs, but not on female 110V outlets. A 50A to 110V adapter should have the ability to have a GFCI 'downstream' from it. So we need to know if the 110V outlet is Male or female.
I can't seem to get anything to work with shore power connected to my house with a dogbone splitter to household 110 amps.
From your first post. Assuming again you mean 110 VOLTS not 110 AMPS... pyho
This quote would make me think you have your 50A shore power connected to your 110 volt circuit, with an adapter like this:
(https://www.campingworld.com/dw/image/v2/BCJK_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-global-master-catalog/default/dw82899025/images/large/074400_1.jpg)
I have read here that a 2552 is a 50A coach, with 'most everything' on one leg, and the second AC on the other. (PLEASE correct me any other 2552 owners!)
It is possible that the adapter shown above only powers one leg of the 50A outlet. Dunno. But if that IS the case, it may be powering only the 'second' leg and the second AC. Nothing else. AND that would have a label that states that you cant use it on a GFCI outlet. Thats TWO clues that match.....
50 amp power at the commercial building is working as it should and is not a concern. I'm just wondering if my fancy $70 dog bone could be the problem when attempting to go from 50A to 110 at my house
OK, so does that mean you DO have a 50A shore power cord on your 2552, and when plugged into a 50A outlet where it is stored, all electrical works in your coach?
OR does it mean what you say - The 50A power (outlet) itself is working. (WH)
And "attempting to go from 50A to 110 at my house" means you have a 50A outlet in the house, and you are attempting to convert it to a 110V receptacle.
Or maybe you mean the opposite of what you typed. - You HAVE a 110 Volt outlet at the house, and you are attempting to connect your 50A shore power cord to it through your dogbone adapter. Maybe? Like using an adapter I showed second, with the 3 male prongs on one end, and 4 female holes on the other end.
SO... Let me see if I can 'diagnose' this one. Are these assumptions correct?
1) You have a 2552, with a 50A shore power cord. This cord operates the coach electrical systems at your storage location, plugged into a 50A outlet.
2) You bought an adapter, dogbone style, that allows you to plug a male end into the 110 VOLT (15 AMP) service at your residence. This then leaves you with a 50A female receptacle that you plug the shore power cord into, so you can power up the coach when at home.
3) Plugged into the 110V outlet at the house, with that adapter, 'nothing' in the coach works.
4) When seeing if anything worked in the coach, using the adapter, you never tried BOTH the AC units.
If these are all correct, try the 110 adapter again and try BOTH AC units, one at a time. If only ONE comes on, then the adapter is supplying only one leg of the 50A receptacle, and not the one that powers everything else.
How did I do? roflol
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I have read here that a 2552 is a 50A coach, with 'most everything' on one leg, and the second AC on the other. (PLEASE correct me any other 2552 owners!)
Volk, the 2552 was standard with 30A service and one A/C--at least through 2019 when I bought mine--but I am confident still so today. The 50A service with 2 A/C's is an option ($3K on my 2019). As you state--if you get the 50A, the standard setup has everything on one leg but the second (rear) A/C unit--that is the only thing powered by the second leg circuit. I feel confident that more 2552's have been sold with 30A setups than with 50A setups.
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I have read here that a 2552 is a 50A coach, with 'most everything' on one leg, and the second AC on the other. (PLEASE correct me any other 2552 owners!)
Volk, the 2552 was standard with 30A service and one A/C--at least through 2019 when I bought mine--but I am confident still so today. The 50A service with 2 A/C's is an option ($3K on my 2019). As you state--if you get the 50A, the standard setup has everything on one leg but the second (rear) A/C unit--that is the only thing powered by the second leg circuit. I feel confident that more 2552's have been sold with 30A setups than with 50A setups.
tymote tymote HOPEFULLY when JSanford checks in we might have some clarity. :)(:
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JSanford just PM'd me with a link to this splitter/adapter.
http://www.camco.net/adapters-dogbones/50amp-power-grip-power-maximizer-adapter-adapter-55025
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JSanford just PM'd me with a link to this splitter/adapter.
http://www.camco.net/adapters-dogbones/50amp-power-grip-power-maximizer-adapter-adapter-55025
tymote tymote tymote tymote OK... now wonder if he is plugging it in to a 30A RV *and* a 15A 110, or just the 15A110V.... and hoping it will work. Which it might... I would have to see how they have things wired in the adapter.
Maybe his house has a 30A RV and a 15A residential socket close enough together? Reading the questions on the Amazon site, it sure looks like it would NOT work at most RV park wired to code..
(https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0024E70L2)
""Only will work it the 15amp plug receptacle is a non-GFCI plug. So, if you want to use this at the campground pedestal, you will most likely be out of luck because NEC code dictates that outdoor receptacles be GFCI or fed by a GFCI breaker.""
""Question: Can this be used with only one of the male ends plugged in, not both?
Answer: You can but you will only have on circuit functional in your RV. This device keeps the two legs separated and normally brings in 30 amps on one leg and 15 on the other. If you don’t plug in the 15 amp line you will only get the 30 amps service on the one leg.""
So...if just the 110V 15A was plugged in, there is a possibility he would only have the second AC circuit powered.
But it DOES look like he has a 50A shore power cord. At least we got that!
THANKS 2Lucky!! We HAVE to be getting close to solving this. :)(: