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Main Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: Fostermjd on February 26, 2020, 06:14:18 pm
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We are going to look at a used 2013 cruiser and have a couple of questions.
1. Is the Phoenix Cruiser 2900d 30 amp or 50 amp?
2. Has anyone towed a vehicle with it? If so, how was it? Is it harder to drive towing?
3. How is its driving and maneuverability without towing?
4. Due to its size, is it hard to find a camping site at state and national parks?
5. Is the only table the small slide table or is there a table that can be pulled out and used in front of the couch like in the 2551 and 2552?
We really are interested more in a 2551 or 2552 because it is shorter and has the twin beds, however used ones are hard to find. I look every day on several sites.
Your answers and input would be greatly appreciated.
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I have a 2015 2900D.
1. It is equipped with a 30 amp cord but I keep a 50 amp adapter just in case. All of the RV parks I have visited have 30 amp.
2. I routinely tow a small Toyota, but have towed my 22 foot center console boat. I use cruise control with no problems and haven't had any issues.
3. Just like driving a big truck. Only issue is sometimes the back drags when going over an incline at a gas station.
4. I've had no issues finding a campsite.
5. We bought a folding table and keep it under the bed. The only time we've used it was when we had visitors. The small table is adequate for two.
We've had ours for about a year and are extremely pleased.
Russ
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Thank you so much for your input. It is definitely longer than we wanted, but the layout and amount of storage is wonderful. We will be seeing it in person this weekend. Can't wait to see it. The pictures were beautiful but you never know condition for sure until you actually see it in person. Just leary about the length. Will have to drive it to see for sure.
Does the long overhang cause swaying when on the highway?
Also did you install a stabilizer like I've read some have on their cruisers?
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There's a newly listed 2011 2551 on RVTrader for $39k, 39k miles only.
We love our 2551, think it is ideal.
Dougn
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I have a 2910T and I agree with the earlier comments. We went with the 2910 because of the double bed, we weren't interested in the twins. The only major issue we have with the 2910T is the weight, it is at the upper limit for the Ford Chassis. We're carefully about how much we load in and try to travel with the water and waste tanks empty.
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This is the first RV I've owned so I don't have anything to compare it to, but it does catch the wind. I did about 10K miles on mine last year and only got blown off the road a few times :lol. I don't have any stabilizers.
Rick, I didn't know the weight issues. Do you have a link or could you share the specs.
Thanks, Russ
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The national park system is old. Narrow loops, trees, and back-in spaces favor smaller rigs with a short wheelbase. Reservations for sites over 27 ft can be tough, with no additional space for a toad.
50A wiring is a factory option that can support a 2nd air conditioner if needed.
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For weight information select search at top of forum and enter “overweight”. There will be items regarding the 2910D model for you to review.
Ron S
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I appreciate everyone's comments. tymote
We saw the 2011 ...good price and reasonable miles. We live in Florida and its in Colorado. Quite a distance.
I wasn't aware there was a weight issue, but we have always traveled with our tanks empty until we get where we're going.
The reason I was asking about sway is because we have had many types of campers over the years but my husband was the one who pulled them. We bought an older class c once because I wanted something I could drive but the experience was awful. It was top heavy and when I drove it on the highway every time a truck would pass it would rock and sway. When I would go on curvy roads I felt like it would lean and would fall over. I'm sure part of that was because it was older and part was due to the large area over the cab. Needless to say we didn't keep it very long.
That's the reason we have been looking at B plus rvs. Everyone says they are easy to drive. When we discovered the Phoenix Cruiser brand we were both impressed by what we have read and seen. I think we have watched every YouTube video about the different models. I'm hoping I will be able to drive it because I need to help with the driving and there are times I like to go and he doesn't so I can't invite my friends to go. the reason why we were leaning toward the 2551 was the Comfort, livability, and shortness.
It was mentioned that the bottom dragged when going over an incline, does that damage the
Please keep sharing your info about your cruiser. I'm sure more questions will pop up. I'm anxious to make the 2 1/2 hour trip to see the 2900 and I'm praying it is all its suppose to be. Mostly I'm hoping to be able to drive it and feel comfortable doing it.
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My husband wanted to know how it drives on very steep hills. Does it struggle?
How hard is it going around corners when in towns or cities?
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When I was looking for a PC I came across a 2013 2900 for $42,900 in Florida. It was a little out of my budget and way to far for me to go and fetch, but every morning I kept looking it up to see if it was still for sale. I'll be envious of you if this is the one because it looks like a real nice PC for the money. Best of luck to you and I would be interested in how this turns out.
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Hi Fostermjd,
At the risk of insult to others here, the questions and concerns you have with the longest of PCs are valid. If model 2551 or 2552 is ideal for you, then be patient for a used one.
Our travel destinations are exclusively to national parks, monuments, forests, and BLMs. Our 2007 PC-2350 with a 23'-8" length and Jeep Liberty in tow, works well in such places because the tow vehicle is handled independently at camp sites. We often park our Jeep by the street, parked 90 degrees to the PC. If our PC was 6 to 7 feet longer like models 2910 & 3100, camp-site selection would be much harder yet. If national parks and such are your primary destinations, then you want a motor home to be as short as possible, yet still meet your minimum criteria. So I advise to wait for a used model 2551.
I would never consider traveling in a 30 foot long rig without having a tow vehicle. Getting around in national parks with such a long rig will be severely restrictive. You will miss too much of what you came to see.
Regarding "handling", model 2551 and 2552 will handle the best of all other PC models because their over-all length related to the wheel base offers the best stability and weight distribution of the PC line-up. But if you find it unacceptable, you can do as many other motor home owners have done and invest in heavy duty front and rear stabilizer bars, heavy duty shock absorbers, and heavy duty steering stabilizer. All suspension upgrades combined along with a wheel alignment, will make it most satisfactory, comfortable, and safe. And they are reasonably affordable, especially if your husband installs them himself. The benefit of all the upgrades is even noticed while camping. The rig doesn't rock much when walking around inside.
Every PC regardless of model, will be less temperamental on the open road than just about every other brand, because of their low profile and aerodynamic shape.
About over-loading a class C motor home of any brand, the most vulnerable component to an over-load condition are the tires. If you are concerned of an over-load condition, there are tires available that handle significantly more weight than typical "E" rated motor home tires. Those extra-load-range tires will put that worry to rest. PC model 2910T is most concerning for over-loading due to the extra weight of the 3 slide outs. The founder of Phoenix USA Kermit Fischer once told me, as a general rule, each slide out adds roughly 600 pounds, regardless of PC model. The exception was the tiny 400 pound slide out of long ago in models 2350 and 2551 that only had a couch inside it. Adding the fridge in 2010 increased the weight to 600 pounds.
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You could also think about the 2700 model. At just over 27 feet it's a nice compromise, We've had ours a few years now and enjoy it very much. It has 2 slides and was stretched to become the 2900 model, at which time the 2700 was discontinued,
around 2012. You can still find them online, I see one on RVT, a 2012, with 50,000 miles, and a Toad combo, for around 65,000, in North Carolina. Don't know what the rig alone would be. Ours handles fine now, but needed an alignment when we got it,
made a huge difference on the highway with winds and passing trucks. Have read where others had a similar experience, a good thing to check first before sticking a lot of money into replacement stabilizers. Cargo carrying capacity is around 1200 pounds, so no problems there.
Jim
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jimmer,
I agree with you. I feel model 2700 is a great compromising mid-length rig. Too bad the general public didn't see it that way. Lack of orders caused Phoenix to cancel production.
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jimmer,
I agree with you. I feel model 2700 is a great compromising mid-length rig. Too bad the general public didn't see it that way. Lack of orders caused Phoenix to cancel production.
It would be interesting to see the total production numbers for each model, further broken down by model year. Maybe fewer of the smaller models are produced, or people tend to hold onto them longer, or perhaps a combination of both factors skews the availability of pre-owned PC’s?
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What is the difference between a 2700 and 2552? The 2700 I looked at in fla. only had one slide, had twin beds and a slide pantry.
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Tarnold, the 2700 is the same layout as the current day 2910 D. A 2 slide unit with the bed sideways in the rear slide. No twin beds. I have seen them advertised incorrectly online as 2551's.
Try googling it, there's a couple currently for sale although I don't know if they're still available.
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Jimmer - what's the width of the bed and rear slide-out in your 2700?
There are 2 actual 2700's for sale on RVtrader and RVT. One has twin slide-outs. The other has a fixed dinette and single rear slide-out like the older model 2550, but with a usable looking bed instead of the hard old tri- fold sofa in the 2550.
Don't know if the 2550 was discontinued because it morphed into the 2551, or if it actually morphed into the 2700 ?
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Calcruiser, our bed is 54 X 74. Yes, i've seen the rare one-slide 2700 for sale also. I'm no Phoenix historian, but I would guess they would build it that way on request. Our's has the jacknife sofa in the front slide. Would be nice to
have dual recliners per today's models. Never use it as a fold out bed.
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Hi Tarnold,
You seem to be confused over the different models.
If you find a particular PC for sale on the internet and would like more information about it, I can email you a PDF of that model year brochure.
Phoenix did not offer a brochure for every model year. Here is what I have and I think I have them all.
2003
2004
2007
2009
2011
2012
2015
2019
The brochures get as big as 18 MB in size, not email friendly. I wish Phoenix would have a special section just for all their past brochures. The earliest brochures were quite primitive with hand written diagrams.
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Ron can you send me (mcrompton@comcast.net) the 2004 brochure? I'm looking at one and the brochure would be great.
Thanks