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Main Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: ecericks on February 20, 2020, 05:50:08 pm
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We are brand new owners of a 2012 PC 2551 and loving it. We took our first trip this week and we quickly realized that our table was missing and TV trays weren’t cutting it.
So we would like to know if anyone has a table for sale or any better ideas for a table other than TV trays.
Thanks
Ecericks
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We use a single lightweight folding Table-Mate XL instead of the heavy wood pedestal table that came with our 2350. While camping it doubles as a useful space to keep stuff organized between meals, inside or out. I bought a pair, but a single table works better for both of us with our 54” sofa and small slide-out. If your 2351 has the big slide-out (refrigerator inside) you could use two.
https://www.tablemate.com/products/table-mate-xl?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_pXC97rh5wIVbh-tBh1ybwIEEAAYASAAEgIz6fD_BwE
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I do have the original table with legs and bases that I'm willing to sell but shipping from MN may be prohibitive? We had Doug at the factory install 2 lagun tables that we absolutely love, perhaps worth a look -
https://www.rvupgradestore.com/Lagun-Swiveling-RV-Table-Mount-p/30605.htm?msclkid=c1600ad723371edd6d3c5498602d83db
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Has anyone mounted the Lagun base on the 2 seat electric sofa in a 2552? The only place I can see it fitting is on the side of the pull out foot rest, but that seems a bit shaky.
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We are brand new owners of a 2012 PC 2551 and loving it. We took our first trip this week and we quickly realized that our table was missing and TV trays weren’t cutting it.
So we would like to know if anyone has a table for sale or any better ideas for a table other than TV trays.
Thanks
Ecericks
I have a table and posts from my 2006 model 2350 that you are welcome to. Like Dogyard, I also warn that shipping may be expensive. I used to use Greyhound as an inexpensive shipper for bulky items, but they seem to have gone up a bit in price. Well worth checking. I would be shipping from Florida, 32935 ZIP.
Maybe go and measure the distance between the posts and we can see if the tables are the same post spacing.
If you have the sockets in the floor already, it might be cheaper to build a table even. The post and top socket to mount under the table I quickly found for $21 apiece including shipping. https://www.amazon.com/Russell-Edelbrock-MA-951-CHROME-Table/dp/B004OCY632/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=rv+table+legs&qid=1582303659&sr=8-5
Table tops are also easily found, here is a 48x24 cherry finish top. $53. (dont know what interior you have, suppose oak and maple are easy to find too...)
https://www.amazon.com/Lorell-Utility-Table-Top-Cherry/dp/B01LXS4L99/ref=sr_1_12?keywords=small+tabletop&qid=1582303780&sr=8-12
So...for about $100 and some screws you would have a brand new tabletop and legs. May be something to consider if shipping costs are prohibitive. I know to ship a pair of the stock PC mirrors Florida to California was about $75, so a table might be similar if not more.
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I had the Lagun tables installed on my 2350 at the factory, Doug mounted the front (nearest driver seat) on on the slide frame and the back on the wall between sofa/fridge using a 2x4 backer between fridge & wall. Even though that mounting limits how low the table can go it's infinitely more convenient than having the table in the way and the swing out Lagun tables get used during meal prep, etc as well as dining, card games and tv watching.
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My 2552 has the Lagun tables mounted exactly as Dogyard describes.
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Has anyone mounted the Lagun base on the 2 seat electric sofa in a 2552? The only place I can see it fitting is on the side of the pull out foot rest, but that seems a bit shaky.
Terry, below is the link to a message posted by JJCruiser back in October 2018 with close-up photos of Phoenix's mounting of the Lagun tables on his new 2351. That was the first installation of the Laguns noted on the forum, and I asked him for more info so I could possibly get them added to my new build--then just underway. Phoenix did mount them in my 2552 (like dogyard and jim godfrey) and our mountings in the 2552s as described by dogyard match JJ's photos. JJ also mentions in the post about the modification to change his single pantry door to two doors---necessary to be able to access the top two drawers without removing the Lagun table on that side. Phoenix now installs the two doors as standard when mounting the Laguns, but since his was the first installation they still had the single door on his installation.
Mike
https://forum.phoenixusarv.com/index.php?topic=3426.msg29020#msg29020
Re: Phoenix Cruiser 2351
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2018, 04:48:35 pm »
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Ok, looked at all the links and pics. On my pantry, it’s all one slide. I could pull it out and get to the under side by the floor and beef it up to help solidify the permanent mounting of the base. Couldn’t see how the forward base was mounted on the slide. Is it screwed into the face frame of the slide? That piece of 4” trim that picture frames the slide. For those that have them, do they seem springy when fully extended and your putting some weight on them, like cutting a tough steak :) while seated? My machinest son made me one for our chinook, but was just too floppy. Do you leave them mounted all the time? The thought of having to pull out the support to gain access to the pantry is a turn off to the wife. Getting by now just using fold up tv trays but do want something better.
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OK, Terry--to be a little more specific on the mounting.
On my 2019 2552, the rear table by the pantry has two pieces of 3/4" material stacked as a mounting plate as shown in JJ's second picture. The material in mine measures 6"W X 12"H. As in JJ's photo the top of my mount is about 1 1/2" below the pantry door, but unlike his--my wood mount plate extends all the way to the floor. The original wood in that area is "paneled", and I think the key is to extend those wood mount plates as needed to reach solid face frame material on each side of the sunken panel. Vertically, the aluminum Lagun mount is about 3/4" inboard of the edge of the pantry wall. It just brushes against the upholstery of the couch.
The mount for the front table is more simple. As shown in JJ's last picture, (and as you mentioned) it is just a single piece of 3/4" material mounted to the 4" face frame that frames the slide. My mount measures 4" W X 7 1/4" H; it looks to be a little shorter than JJ's, so I don't think the length is particularly critical. Since they use a single 3/4" piece here on the front table----I suspect that the reason for the double 3/4" pieces on the rear table is not structural, but just to space it out another 3/4".
I had forgotten that the earlier pantry had a single slide out. That complicates the issue for the rear table. My pantry has 3 individual deep drawers mounted on individual drawer slides. The top door clears the Lagun table and uncovers the top two drawers. To open the bottom door and access the bottom drawer, you must remove the table--or you could decide to leave that area with no door as an open storage shelf. I would imagine you could pretty readily convert your single slide pantry to the individual drawers and dual doors if you wanted to go that way. I haven't investigated whether there is any other mounting option for the rear table--but I doubt it. If another one was realistic, Phoenix would probably have used it rather than obstruct the pantry.
As far as use goes, I have found the tables solid enough for common uses. I eat on them, use for food prep, use for computer desk, etc. Lagun says capacity is 50 pounds (including weight of top). While they have a little "springiness" and I am sensitive about not bearing down on them to rise from the couch (or something like that) I have found them solid enough to not worry about using them. I leave mine mounted all the time, since with the swing and table rotation combined there is a lot of flexibility in their location. They swing back over the couch to clear the walkway with slide in, and even when using the couch as a bed, they can rotate to the side to essentially work as side tables. I think they add enough usability to the interior to be well worth having.
Mike
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One thing I noticed on my 2552 rear table install is they maybe should have spaced the mount a little further from the wall. I have found that the horizontal bar will interfere with the wall if you swing the table out too far. Unfortunately I ended up with a nice little gouge in the woodwork before noticing the interference. Just something to consider if you plan an install.
The front one is mounted on the "picture frame" which scares me a bit only because it is a kind of flimsy and I worry that one time I will try to swing the table out when it is locked for travel and split the trim board.
I usually learn my lessons the hard way. :-[
Haven't used our 2552 much since purchasing (despite a milder than usual winter) so can't offer much info on their practicality yet.
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Still thinking this thru. Looking at JJs pics from last year, the one that looks straight down, I don’t see how he can open the pantry door without hitting the horizontal bar, might be the angle of the pic. For the forward mount, maybe a piece of 3/16 plate steel on the back side of the “picture frame “ would stiffen and reinforce. That thin shouldn’t interfere with the slide opening all the way out.
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Terry,
Your comment on JJ's photo that "looks straight down" is correct--the door will hit the horizontal bar (and also the vertical bar for that matter). But that photo shows JJ's original, single--full-length, pantry door. When he changed his doors to the dual-door setup on his original install, the top door opens OVER the table and horizontal mount. That's the way it also works on later Phoenix installs (like dogyard, jim godfrey, and mine). With two pantry doors, the top one swings over the table to expose the top two pantry drawers. The bottom (shorter) door will still hit the vertical arm, so the table and vertical arm must be removed from the aluminum mount to open that lower door and access the bottom pantry drawer----unless one chooses to leave that space just open as an open shelf with no door.
Your second point about the reinforcing thin piece of steel on the front mount is a good one. I'm not aware that Phoenix reinforces the back of that trim in addition to the front mounting block, but I don't know that they do not--I've never attempted to determine that. You could probably ask them. In any case, even a light steel plate there would provide considerable reinforcement.
Mike
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Just spent some time looking at the pantry and what would be involved in reinforcement. My one piece drawer (3 shelves) has a centered slide mechanism, top and bottom. To get to the inside bottom where it needs some beefing, would require removing the slide and the floor of the pantry. Then still don’t know what else might be hidden down there. With a flashlight I saw several things that had fallen off the shelves and accumulated on the bottom in the back. So drawer need to come out anyway to retrieve those things. But that flimsy luan on the bottom just doesn’t look strong enough to just slap 2 pieces of 3/4 to the front from the outside. I’m just of the school that bigger is better. Looking at YouTube vids to see if something else might work. As far as the forward mounting, think the steel plate is what is needed there, maybe one on each side. Welding some blind nuts to the back side of the plate should hold the lagun base. That picture frame around the slide doesn’t really look to firm, just a 1/2” piece of something with the cherry wrap film.
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Sounds like you have a good start to figuring out a system that will work for you. The mod will require some effort (if you do it), but the Lagun tables really are a pretty good solution to a table system in the 2552. They're probably as versatile and yet as "out of the way" as any fixed table could be. I think they would be worth the effort. The table mount is the most important part of the system, and with the extra care at that point that you're discussing, you will likely have a result superior to the factory install when you get through.
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Tarnold, how often do you use your pantry? My understanding is that you will have to remove the Lagun table to open the pantry. We have the full pull out pantry with shelves NOT drawers so we can't do the split door. We are constantly in and out of that pantry so as much as I covet the Lagun tables, they won't work for us.
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I’m thinking that’s the way it’s going for me also. These things are to make tasks easier, but this looks to be more difficult.