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Main Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: faiello on January 13, 2020, 05:31:59 pm
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Well with the warm weather this weekend and the snow melting off the roof of my PC I discovered water on my floor behind the passenger seat. They only place I can think of is the marker light right above the water entrance area but in that area is the end of the awning and the seam between the main roof and the front bubble. It under warranty and will be bringing it to Campers Inn to check it out but was wondering if they should look in any other places.
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Hello Frank
Not sure if your water intrusion issue is complicated by your PC not being level. If you physically didn't see the water coming in it is greatly influenced by the attitude of your PC. I had an issue with mine and it took me awhile to figure it out. I ended up putting paper towels down and then could see where the water had traveled from. In my case it was the slide, It seems that the factory had an oversight and didn't calk anything that was bolted to the outside of the slide pyho, So after I removed everything and sealed it up no more problems, I also found that whoever installed the window awning on that side added a couple extra holes under each awning support leg, they were covered by the mount but they were not sealed up. Plus the awnings have a trim piece at the bottom of the support arms that a like a cup and gather water. I took these off and drilled a drain hole in the bottom of them and put them back on. So far my problem is solved took half the day sealing up the awnings etc on the slide.
Good Luck!
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I could post the picture from my phone file size was too large. The water is coming in under the carpeted backplate behind the passenger seat at floor level. I do not see any staining in the wall or the ceiling which leads me to the marker light. I will post the picture once I get to my computer tonight.
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Ok I understand now a little more, this is the issue. Your floor sits on top of a corrugated plastic cardboard. You can see it from the underside of the coach. Water is probably making its way down to that layer through a leak from the wall It then travels to the low point which must be behind the passenger seat. What I would do is try and figure out what the attitude of the camper is, is it listing to the passenger side and down by the bow (front). This would allow the water to travel towards that direction if it were leaking from the drivers side etc. You can also remove the transition strip between the carpet and floor material to see if that helps determine a direction of the water. If you get an idea of direction the water maybe traveling from then walk around the outside and take a close look at the hardware screwed to the walls on the outside, ensure it is calked up. I used calk tape (butyl tape) under the hardware and then used clear silicone at the top of the hardware. I did both sides of the coach even the little clips that hold the compartment doors open.
I hope this helps,
Lance
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Have Phoenix Cruisers always been leakers or is this something new?
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No, my 2015 2551 has never leaked.
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Thing about water leaks is they can start anywhere and end up someplace else. Packing for a trip this am and saw a very slight drip coming from the first cabinet on the right as you enter. The sat cable emerges at that point. Been raining here for 5 days, and that’s not an exaggeration. On the roof, found a potential leak spot where the cable passes thru the roof. Between rain got a hair dryer and dried up best I could. Then a liberal application of dicor and hopefully that’s it. Got a bucket over it now trying to deflect the rain. Point is, check any and all cable entrances for possible cracks. Water Once in can run most anywhere.
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Just saw the picture, the water is on top of the floor? I thought you meant the carpet was just wet under by the passenger seat. Is the camper leaning to the passenger side? Mine started out very similar to yours then. I had to lay paper towels down to figure out where it was coming from.
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ENGINEERLT
The rig is leaning towards the driver side that's why the first time I saw a puddle it was on the drivers side and some in the middle. This time I saw it I actually could see where the water was entering into the rig as you see in the photo. the carpeted kick plate was wet only where it met the floor. I had alot more water the first time than the second time I saw it. I am hoping it is as simple as removing the marker light clean it up and remount with some sealing tape or silicone.
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Frank you may very well be correct, I noticed one hing about the PC, when water enters from something outside the only time you may see it is on the floor. The construction of the wall with the fiberglass and then foam keeps it away from the interior wall. Good luck I hope your don't have to travel very far to take it to Campers Inn.
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I dropped it of at Campers Inn this morning he is going to remove the marker light, clean and seal then remount they also he saw a place in the vertical seam between the awning arm and transition piece before the cab that could be the area it's getting in, They will reseal that as well. We are suppose to have some snow this weekend will let you know when it starts melting again. Fingers crossed.
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I have heard of a previous owner having water come from awning rail, either where wire went thru or bolts that hold awning rail.
He said it was an easy fix. Loosened awning rail and put silicone chalk to stop it. Leak showed up behind passenger seat.
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Had same problem, same area. Found gap in caulk on horizontal molding on front cap.
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Had same problem, same area. Found gap in caulk on horizontal molding on front cap.
I had the same also plus some. One major leak was where the antennae wires entered through the roof. Seal looked good but still leaked. Added more roof sealant but no luck. Finally taped the whole wire assembly along the roof and stopped the leak.
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Campers Inn called today and said there were 3 places the they resealed in the vertical seam near the awning rail. They are storing the rig indoors this weekend since it's snowing and they want it to dry out. Monday or Tueday they will do a water test and get back to me.
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Update the spots they patched were not the problem we still have water coming in the rig. Campers Inn has been in contact with PC but are telling me they are not helping them. They have an RV bodyshop coming in tomorrow and want me to talk to them on what the plan is to fix the leak...ooooooh noo why isn't PC helping me.....should I be scared of what they are going to tell me. Sorry but first time RV owner and struggling that PC won't help find the issue.
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Geez Frank, I really hope they get this worked out for you.
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Jeff,
They are waiting for approval from PC then sending it to a body shop up the street who has a lot of experience with RV's. I talked to him today and he described his plan. one thing I asked for was a pressure test which he said he does a smoke test which he feels is better. He wants to replace a lot of the molding and reseal the whole outside which he said wasn't done very well. It's up to PC now if they approve it. Also he want to replace the inside panel where the water has been coming in as he feels it is now damaged from the water.
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He wants to replace a lot of the molding and reseal the whole outside which he said wasn't done very well. I
Thats where my leak was on the right side. The outside molding that covered the seam between the wall panel and the bottom valence outside. It would leak in and end up in the step area after flowing on the floor.
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Frank: Did he actually locate the source of the leak already? Or are they proposing to change a lot of things before the leak tests? Just wondering what PC response will be to a company that is trying to hit the problem with a sledge hammer when it might be a very small issue. Hopefully they took some pictures to back up their claims that things were done poorly. Otherwise I'm not sure PC will take them seriously.
Either way, I really hope they come up with a speedy, effective and permanent solution for you.
When I picked up my 2552 I crawled around on the roof and found a couple of areas around the shower skylight that looked like they might become problematic. The tech Bobby at the factory went right up and repaired the two bubbles I found. So far have not found any leaks, fingers crossed. (for both of us)
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Jim,
They plan on doing the smoke test first to find the source of the leak then go from there.